Yes Kiptum had doped. Come over it. We still awaits a great race on Sunday

But if you're watching Kenyans run and thinking 'wow, look at that great clean athlete', you're an idiot.

It's beyond obvious now.

Oh yes you are right. So much Kenyan would catch because of Doping. In 2018 23 Kenyans run under 60 minutes for the HM. One was catched by doping 1 to 23 I think this is a around 4%. But it was the fastest who was catched this is wright. But I want to say that the achievement to run under 60 minutes the half is great and the absolutely mostly athletes run it clean.

Testing is so bad and has such high tolerances that if you are catching anyone that is a bad sign.

Did you know the late Stephane Franke? I believe he doped too. No big deal.

I agree with you, OP. Kiptum is a dick and should never, ever come back to running. Doesn’t mean we can’t watch and enjoy the sport, though.

The level of cynicism and negativity on this board is insane, and is fostered in large part by the creators. Why everyone watches a sport they seem to hate is beyond me. It’s sadder almost than the doping itself.

Sam Persons wrote:

Nice English, kraut.

How’s your German?

This was a pre-emptive move.

What if Kiptum had finished 3rd to Kipchoge + Sir Mohamed, and only THEN we found out about ABP doping?

The inference would be obvious.....

The only one who might be cuming over it would be Coevett.

4 years isn't long enough for a doping ban as too many athletes are still cheating. I think it should be 8, a fine of 1 million dollars, and the first 4 spent in prison.

bennyhesh wrote:

Did you know the late Stephane Franke? I believe he doped too. No big deal.

Let's not forget how difficult it is to just brush your teeth in Germany without coming up positive...

We'll follow any sport we want......AND call out dopeheads and their defenders. Now, go mount a German Sheppard.

Awesome handle. Hilarious.

GoldenMiles wrote:

I agree with you, OP. Kiptum is a dick and should never, ever come back to running. Doesn’t mean we can’t watch and enjoy the sport, though.

The level of cynicism and negativity on this board is insane, and is fostered in large part by the creators. Why everyone watches a sport they seem to hate is beyond me. It’s sadder almost than the doping itself.

Actually, it's amazing that people still watch this doped up fraud of a sport still. Of course, only a fraction of the number who watched it back in the 70's and 80's before it became simply a means of enrichment for Italian doctors and agents and a route out of poverty for the East Africans they exploit.

It further amazes me that with every new Kenyan doping bust the apologists again say or imply that this will be the last and all the bad apples have been caught now. LOL! There was a prediction thread at the start of the year as to how many Kenyans would be caught in 2019 (I think the mods deleted it). I think I guessed 8 - 10, but I think that's going to prove a wild underestimation. It's been clearly stated that Kiptum's bust has been part of a new 'intelligence led' strategy to catching the dopers, which is paying off already. The WADA lab in Nairobi is already producing results it seems too in providing better ABP pictures of the top Kenyans, as Ruto can confirm.

I agree in part that the cynics are wrong when they use Kenyan busts to claim EVERYBODY is doping. In many cases, these people aren't fans or even real posters - they're likely paid shills.

I still follow the sport because the doping problem in East Africa that is confirmed every passing week only makes the performances of clean runners like Nick Willis and Kyle Langford even more heroic and impressive. However, the Marathon is beyond a joke these days. I wont be watching this weekend because I honestly can't believe that any of the top 20 finishers will be clean, and that doesn't make me a cynic or a racist, it just makes me realistic about the current East African doping situation (which hopefully is getting slowly fixed).

Well o.k, I will be watching but only because there's a good chance that Mo will get into a fight live on TV with somebody.

Wolf's Bane wrote:

4 years isn't long enough for a doping ban as too many athletes are still cheating. I think it should be 8, a fine of 1 million dollars, and the first 4 spent in prison.

I don't see why they shouldn't be banned for life. Maybe if there is any slight doubt of their guilt ('tainted supplement' possibility etc) or maybe a reduced sentence if they spill the beans on their coach or agent or anybody else who helped them dope.

Imagine if Kiprop had been caught much earlier in his career and came back after four years and won medals or broke the WR? I wonder how Nick Willis would feel lining up against him again in an Olympic final? Bett is still only 21, same age as Kyle Langford. Maybe he'll have learnt to microdose more intelligently by the time he comes back, still in his prime?

I agree with the prison sentence. And all moneys earned paid back to any rivals robbed of medals or records.

Coevett

How about a 4 year ban for whites and a lifetime ban for blacks or non-whites? What do you think?

Because this just confirms what is obvious.

All the sub 2:05 runners in the field are also doping.

Watching the show while not being surprised if someone flies up again for doping is unfortunately part of the show. If I want to be absolutely sure to compete against clean runners, I run with my club mates in one of the most unimportant local races. The day before, we all mowed our lawn and drank a beer and look forward to a 17 or 18 over 5k with mid 40s.

kyoto wrote:

The only one who might be cuming over it would be Coevett.

Coevett has no penis. He’s a penis less midget with moobs.

Your point is absolutely nonsense. You talk like in a fantasy world where antidoping catch always everyone that is trying to dope.

Unfortunately things dont work like that, there are so many ways to not be tested positive that when they catch somebody

is some kind of accident.

Then to this add all the system of bribe to cover a positivity in some countries, and not so out of competition "surprise" test

and the chance to find a positive is very low.

The problem is not Kiptum that has been stopped but all others like him that are still running and continue to win big money in big races. Do you remember Jeptoo was supposed to win a 500.000 Dollars jackpot, but then was tested positive and they didnt gave her anymore. So she like Kiptum now to me are not cheaters cos they have been stopped and losing a lot of money. Imagine somebody like Kiptum the races that he could have win in the future now for him everything change.

So they are not cheaters (in my point of view) but are somebody that have bring to the light what was made in the dark

They dont have to hide anymore! But there are a lot that still running and win big money and do the same things that Kiptum, Jeptoo, Sumgong, Kiprop , Ruth Jebet, and about others 40 Kenya runners that are right now facing a doping suspension, did.

I m sorry but I cant never believe and hate even the idea that Kiptum is devil and all others are angels, or Jeptoo is a devil and others are angels.

No , No, No, they are all pro runners and they are all at the same level is a system is not a single person. the doping problem is the same for everybody.