the mile record? something is wrong with this

Probably why the record was set at some obscure meet in an off year in some foreign country

WEBB IS BACK BABYYY

Bob Schul Country wrote:

Probably why the record was set at some obscure meet in an off year in some foreign country

Though Eugene is fairly close to a foreign country in some parts, I wouldn't exactly call the Pre Classic obscure.

I'm not a rocket fuel expert but this clear as ever wrote:

If this is not proof that Alan Webb doped then Idk what is.

High School Record: 3:53 (alan webb)

American Collegiate Record: 3:53

Overall Collegiate Record: 3:52 (includes kids that bend the eligiblity rules and are age 25+ still competing in college)

The collegiate record is 3:50 set by Todd Harbour of Baylor in around 1982.

Sally Vix wrote:

I'm not a rocket fuel expert but this clear as ever wrote:

If this is not proof that Alan Webb doped then Idk what is.

High School Record: 3:53 (alan webb)

American Collegiate Record: 3:53

Overall Collegiate Record: 3:52 (includes kids that bend the eligiblity rules and are age 25+ still competing in college)

The collegiate record is 3:50 set by Todd Harbour of Baylor in around 1982.

No, it's not.

Birdhouse B wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

The collegiate record is 3:50 set by Todd Harbour of Baylor in around 1982.

No, it's not.

https://trackandfieldnews.com/records/mens-collegiate-records/

It was the long-time collegiate record but maybe they are disallowing it since he ran it in Oslo during the summer of his senior year.

It was 1981, but it was a 3:50.34 for 5th in Oslo. Steve Ovett was the winner in 3:49.25 and Steve Scott set his first mile AR in 3rd with 3:49.68. Harbour's mark also broke Jim Ryun's previous AR.

T&FN had an article shortly afterward entitled "Harbour takes away Ryun record," referring to the college best. Later, the rules were amended so only marks set through the college national championships would count as CRs, so Harbour no longer officially has the record. But what a great race that was for both Americans. Harbour lost to Ovett, Jose-Luis "Speedy" Gonzales, Scott and John Walker, but beat a young Steve Cram and Thomas Wessinghage in that one.

At some point (maybe 20 years ago), the NCAA made a stupid decision: they would only count marks generated in the "collegiate season" as records. At that point, they went back and dropped all performances which were set after the NCAA championship. This includes some notable marks that were achieved by collegiate athletes (i.e. Cruz's 1:41.77).

It seems obvious to me that a collegiate record should be the best performances generated by collegiate athletes, not the best performance generated between March 20 and June 15 in a given year. It MIGHT make sense if the "collegiate season" meant meets between college athletes (and no pros), but that obviously isn't the case.

Most schools recognize as school records performances that were accomplished in the summer, so you have a fair number of school records that are faster than the NCAA records. And you have a ton of school records that should appear on top 10 NCAA lists but don't.

I'm not a rocket fuel expert but this clear as ever wrote:

If this is not proof that Alan Webb doped then Idk what is.

High School Record: 3:53 (alan webb)

American Collegiate Record: 3:53

Overall Collegiate Record: 3:52 (includes kids that bend the eligiblity rules and are age 25+ still competing in college)

Why didn't Alan Webb drop his PR in college? Is it because they started testing?

Isn't his 1500 PB pretty slow?

Poor historian wrote:

Bob Schul Country wrote:

Probably why the record was set at some obscure meet in an off year in some foreign country

Though Eugene is fairly close to a foreign country in some parts, I wouldn't exactly call the Pre Classic obscure.

Record was set in Belguim.....as the announcer said "In a small meet"

Bob Schul Country wrote:

Poor historian wrote:

Though Eugene is fairly close to a foreign country in some parts, I wouldn't exactly call the Pre Classic obscure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTRTvo2ouo

Record was set in Belguim.....as the announcer said "In a small meet"

This is Webb’s 3:52 HSR we’re talking about, not his 3:46 AR. Read more carefully, please.

curious georges wrote:

I'm not a rocket fuel expert but this clear as ever wrote:

If this is not proof that Alan Webb doped then Idk what is.

High School Record: 3:53 (alan webb)

American Collegiate Record: 3:53

Overall Collegiate Record: 3:52 (includes kids that bend the eligiblity rules and are age 25+ still competing in college)

Why didn't Alan Webb drop his PR in college? Is it because they started testing?

Didn't he only go to college for one year and was mostly injured?

Bob Schul Country wrote:

Poor historian wrote:

Though Eugene is fairly close to a foreign country in some parts, I wouldn't exactly call the Pre Classic obscure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTRTvo2ouo

Record was set in Belguim.....as the announcer said "In a small meet"

Bro, do you even read?

Sally Vix wrote:

It was 1981, but it was a 3:50.34 for 5th in Oslo. Steve Ovett was the winner in 3:49.25 and Steve Scott set his first mile AR in 3rd with 3:49.68. Harbour's mark also broke Jim Ryun's previous AR.

T&FN had an article shortly afterward entitled "Harbour takes away Ryun record," referring to the college best. Later, the rules were amended so only marks set through the college national championships would count as CRs, so Harbour no longer officially has the record.

"What "rules" were amended? Track and field News is not a ruling authority, they are a bunch of hardcore alcoholics. TAFN makes up their own rules. For inconsistency sake, TAFN recognize Junior and high school records that occur after he high school seasons.

From TAFN's website.

"Records as ratified by the T&FN Records Committee include only those made by NCAA Division I athletes. No NCAA II/III, NAIA or JUCO performances are included. "

T&FN Records Committee ? Why aren't they self-important? They even have an in-house records committee to adjudicate such important matters. LOL

Who apppointed whom? wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

It was 1981, but it was a 3:50.34 for 5th in Oslo. Steve Ovett was the winner in 3:49.25 and Steve Scott set his first mile AR in 3rd with 3:49.68. Harbour's mark also broke Jim Ryun's previous AR.

T&FN had an article shortly afterward entitled "Harbour takes away Ryun record," referring to the college best. Later, the rules were amended so only marks set through the college national championships would count as CRs, so Harbour no longer officially has the record.

"What "rules" were amended? Track and field News is not a ruling authority, they are a bunch of hardcore alcoholics. TAFN makes up their own rules. For inconsistency sake, TAFN recognize Junior and high school records that occur after he high school seasons.

The only records they have for high school that were after the season ended were for the 5k (rarely contested at high school level), the 2k (I didn't even know this was an event), and the 2k steeple (pretty sure at least 47 states don't even run this event).

Were you a former employee of TAFN and you got fired or something?

Adam Chandler wrote:

Who apppointed whom? wrote:

"What "rules" were amended? Track and field News is not a ruling authority, they are a bunch of hardcore alcoholics. TAFN makes up their own rules. For inconsistency sake, TAFN recognize Junior and high school records that occur after he high school seasons.

The only records they have for high school that were after the season ended were for the 5k (rarely contested at high school level), the 2k (I didn't even know this was an event), and the 2k steeple (pretty sure at least 47 states don't even run this event).

Were you a former employee of TAFN and you got fired or something?

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