I can discuss in good faith. I just find it odd that our universities are held up as the golden gods of liberalism and idealism, yet froth at the mouth when they get a chance to grab theirs (be it through high tuition, athletics, or otherwise). All the while, they never get called out. You did assign them some of the blame, for which I give you credit.
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Parsec, I agree with you. I was giving you a hard time because you seem to want to absolve schools and blame the consumer. I see it a bit differently. The schools realize the Federal government is subsidizing loans and they can charge whatever they want, so they start an arms race - even/especially the public schools - and the students no longer have much of a choice.
Sure, they can go to Community College, but even small state schools have found a niche and can justify charging $15,000 a year in tuition alone.
I think the important thing is that you and I see the solution being a solid education at a reasonable price. I slept in what was basically a prison quarters when I was a freshman, LOL. I had a blast.
Okay, I'll relax a little bit since you clarified further. My apologies.
Yes, I think the correct solution is to keep some "extravagent" educations at private institutions for whatever price they can get away with. State schools in my mind should be similar to community colleges, with the funding focusing on meeting education needs, and very little going into any extras or amenities.
Yes, college is a nice experience, and a very enjoyable four or five years....and it's very easy as a 17 or 18 year old to want to go have that experience especially when it's been "promised" your whole life. Unfortunately, almost no 17 or 18 year olds have either the general wisdom or financial understanding to realize what the long term price of that 100k-400k educational vacation is going to be.
Pare back the schools to more bare bones, educational focused institutions, and you'll still be able to have the dorm life, the parties, the debauchery, and most of the other "vacational" side of the college experience.
Parsec wrote:
Okay, I'll relax a little bit since you clarified further. My apologies.
Yes, I think the correct solution is to keep some "extravagent" educations at private institutions for whatever price they can get away with. State schools in my mind should be similar to community colleges, with the funding focusing on meeting education needs, and very little going into any extras or amenities.
Yes, college is a nice experience, and a very enjoyable four or five years....and it's very easy as a 17 or 18 year old to want to go have that experience especially when it's been "promised" your whole life. Unfortunately, almost no 17 or 18 year olds have either the general wisdom or financial understanding to realize what the long term price of that 100k-400k educational vacation is going to be.
Pare back the schools to more bare bones, educational focused institutions, and you'll still be able to have the dorm life, the parties, the debauchery, and most of the other "vacational" side of the college experience.
Amen. Roger that.
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