Allie K and Brad part ways

So is she single, or not? Lots of eligible dudes want to know.

I’ll be the devil’s advocate here. I think Brad was/is a devoted and knowledgeable coach and definitely improved this woman’s times.

All you armchair Olympians would be out of your minds if Al Sal was coaching her and she dropped 20 lbs because you’re never happy.

Apparently, based on the article she doesn’t do well in training groups. Has anyone thought for a moment it might be her? She won’t find any other coach who will tolerate that BS. Good grief! Sounds like a HS runner in love with their coach and jealous of the other girls getting attention.

Hope he is back in CO because Austin is about to turn to hell fire and getting his business back on track. She’ll go through a few more coaches before it’s over and somehow it will still be Brad’s fault.

Shelby11 wrote:

As far as her and brad—it simple he was her coach, that’s it. For the last year he dedicated his skills to coaching only Allie so yes they were close, but never in an intimate way- and shame on all of you for assuming and gossiping.

Not so fast, Brad was coaching Parker Stinson (and Sid Vaughn, Luis Orta, and a buncha rando women) through his race in Chicago, even if he was starting to check out by then. He dumped that crew to focus on her, no doubt with her blessing if not at her command. He let himself be ruined by a long shot, pretty sad. He'll probably wash up back in Boulder or Eugene before long to find a new flock of eager, naïve post-collegians to throw some dollars his way.

SkepticsAreSeldom wrote:

Wait a second. Allie got all her fame by being the poster child of “strong not skinny.” She said she kept getting hurt in the past when she tried to keep her weight down to levels of other elites.

Now she seems to have impact injuries (hence pool running) which would be exacerbated by high mileage+weight.

So perhaps she gets injured when she’s lighter and when she’s heavier? Many people, like me, just don’t have the genetic durability for extreme distance training. At that elite level, injury risk is absurdly high as everyone is struggling to knock off seconds.

She could have simply stated, “I’m going in a different direction," rather than blaming-not-blaming the coach for her injuries.

That said, I wish them both well in their quests for excellence.

First part is right. Second part that you assume impact injuries are from mileage and weight. She has injuries because the current coach (Brad) had her doing workouts that caused injuries and he expected her to continue even though she was injured and this created the injuries to be come worse.

Magness, you're up! Or does she go with someone like Jason Koop to be cute?

Oh, and you don't have to be misogynistic to play devil's advocate. Just saying.

I have never heard of this woman before this thread, but HUGE PROPS to this Allie person. I scrolled through her linked IG page--I have never seen such a physique able to perform so well at running.

This person looks like every thick, square-bodied girl sweating at the elliptical at my gym, or running 12 min miles on the treadmill--yet she can run a 2:28 marathon???

Hugely impressive. Note: I am not criticizing or body shaming this woman; I am honestly amazed she can be an elite runner with that body shape. Massive kudos to her.

No, Brad was fawning over her way more than a coach should. It was kinda weird. His focus on her clearly took over his life and I don't think she shared the same depth of feeling.

ssiedliski wrote:

I believe Brad is a smarter coach than to push his athletes too far. He did that to himself when he was younger so he knows better.

You have obviously never spent any time around him or his athletes or around people who drove themselves incredibly hard as kids and are now coaching elite runners. He, and the rest of those types, don't look at whatever setbacks they experienced thanks to their going to the well too often; they only see the islands of payoffs in between setbacks. The calculus is "You won't get there unless you put everything into it" taken way, way too far to the side of unacceptably high risk. When someone has two dozen good runners under him at all times and are hoping for one of them to make a serious breakthrough, he doesn't much care about the ones who aren't at the top of "can take endless punishment" period.

hopefully allie can find something that leaves her physically and mentally healthier than having Brad as a coach for her. Hard to say what was actually going on there, but it didn't seem to be working on a lot of levels, and i agree the times article from november of 2018 was weird and uncomfortable.

Yeah except cheating Alberto was incredibly tough and hard working and until recently he handled Galen, so to speak, with some degree of concern for injury.

I am a woman and I do not loosely talk about those things with women or men. Thanks.

That piece was super weird. Tempo does great photos, and offers an different perspective on running--albeit one that is totally indebted to Nike--but that piece was really, really weird. It didn't do anyone any favours imo. On the contrary, Brad and Allie came off looking kind of desperate, which I can only assume wasn't what they were hoping for the profile.

According to Brad (via IG) he will be going back to coaching a group and continuing to do his online coaching

Yes - Huddle, Sisson and Bates seem likely at this point for Top 3. Maybe Cragg but haven't heard a lot from her lately. But then again, it's not trials time right now is it?

What is the business model with a guy like Hudson? Who pays him? Does he draw a stipend from a shoe company? I can't imagine on-line coaching attracting enough income to live on.

You'd be surprised... i'd think there are more people making 6 figures from coaching adults / elites than there are athletes making that much. I don't get it either but I belong to a local club with a lot of 'hobby joggers' who pay around $500 / month for coaching by email. They're your typical 4:00+ marathoner and have found the running bug as their primary hobby.

what is the business model wrote:

What is the business model with a guy like Hudson? Who pays him? Does he draw a stipend from a shoe company? I can't imagine on-line coaching attracting enough income to live on.

I could be wrong, but I'm FAIRLY certain that his athletes pooled some money together a few years ago and helped him get a nicer car...so...likely not making 6 figures, unless he's incredibly talented at mooching.

I've run with him a bit, and I do think he is a genuinely nice guy that cares about running, but the attention he gives younger female runners is a bit much and I agree with the overtraining.

I can only speak as a younger female runner who gets the creepy dudes hanging around and giving out uncomfortable attention. I don't think these guys know they're creepy. They think they're just friendly and helping out fast women by giving them people to work out with. Believe me, the younger women one HUNDRED percent feels they are being creepy, and does not go along with it because they like attention. We go along with it because we're socialized to be polite, and if/when we point it out to these guys they get defensive and respond that they are just being friendly. As women we're in a hard position because their actions don't cross any actual lines of harassment. How do you explain to someone that they're creepy when you'd be totally okay with your 25 year old female friend doing the same things the creepy dude is doing? That's a hard confrontation to have. Also, there are always 2-3 more creepy dudes ready to pop up in the background so the idea of having the conversation to get rid of one of them is exhausting when you think about the fact that you'll just keep having to have that conversation with another guy.

Still harmless I if no lines are crossed. 20 years from now you will long for those halcyon days