Allie K and Brad part ways

Man, that article about their weird “symbiotic” relationship came out just last November. 5 months later, it’s all over. Have to imagine Brad’s devastated, based on the way that article was written.

https://tempojournal.com/article/the-symbiotic-partnership-of-allie-kieffer-and-coach-hudson/

apmeaocipn wrote:

But why is there no mention of Huddle, Sisson, Taylor, Bruce, Cragg, or Flanagan?

She's still green, but I'm surprised that more people aren't adding Emma Bates to their short lists.

I think Shalane and Des will be retired by trials time.

I saw a few of their recent Instagram videos - Allie was injured and cross-training in the pool and Brad was still hanging around watching every minute of it and "coaching" from the sidelines.

I can imagine she needed some space for that.

oke wrote:

apmeaocipn wrote:

But why is there no mention of Huddle, Sisson, Taylor, Bruce, Cragg, or Flanagan?

She's still green, but I'm surprised that more people aren't adding Emma Bates to their short lists.

I think Shalane and Des will be retired by trials time.

Shalane is getting surgery now to make one more attempt. Des is skipping the trials for a couple pay days at MY and Boston according to Josh Cox.

I had the same thought. She's trying to get some RnR in Texas and do some aqua jogging and Brad is there "coaching" and putting it out on instagram. I'm guessing he wouldn't have made that trip without her agreeing to it, but it's still a little odd to me that he went along. Maybe that was the last straw for Allie.

Hopefully she can rally and start putting together some solid months of training.

So, Who in the hell is Allie? And why is she compared to runners that have actually done something? Seriously, I don't know who she is.

1. Jordan 2. Allie if healthy 3. Huddle, Cragg and Des , the healthy battle for third . Time to end this Sisson blabber , please .

500 lbs gorilla warming up wrote:

he also does asinine things like have them do a long hard tempo workout in the morning and short sprints in the afternoon.

That's actually a good idea. I've done the same thing myself, with positive benefits.

Yes, lets fatigue the muscles and then ask slow-twitch runners to do short intense sprints on those drained fatigued muscles....... that's a great idea. No risk of injury there. Maybe some small gains t be made but the injury risk is far greater than any potential benefits. Brad constantly seems to be bad at weighing those two things.

You shouldn't be talking about things that you have no clue about.

fyi, the top 10 US olympic qualifiers:

Name Time Std Race Location Date

Jordan Hasay 2:20:57 A Bank of America Chicago Marathon Chicago, IL 10/8/2017

Amy Cragg 2:21:42 A Tokyo Marathon Tokyo, JPN 2/24/2018

Kellyn Taylor 2:24:29 A Grandma's Marathon Duluth, MN 6/16/2018

Sara Hall 2:26:19 A Scotiabank Ottawa Marathon Ottawa, CAN 5/27/2018

Shalane Flanagan 2:26:22 A TCS New York City Marathon New York, NY 11/4/2018

Molly Huddle 2:26:44 A TCS New York City Marathon New York, NY 11/4/2018

Aliphine Tuliamuk 2:26:50 A NN Marathon Rotterdam Rotterdam, NLD 4/7/2019

Desiree Linden 2:27:00 A BAA Boston Marathon Boston, MA 4/15/2019

Allie Kieffer 2:28:12 A TCS New York City Marathon New York, NY 11/4/2018

Emma Bates 2:28:19 A California International Marathon Sacramento, CA 12/2/2018

Tuliamuk ran a 2:26 this month. And Sara Hall's mark was set on a record eligible course.

Ciro wrote:

Austin is a weird choice.

No it's not. Similar hills, heat, and humidity to Atlanta. Smart choice, although time is ticking for all the top contenders to be healthy and qualify this year cause Atlanta won't be a cake walk for sub 2:29:30.

team Unruly Bush wrote:

fyi, the top 10 US olympic qualifiers:

Name Time Std Race Location Date

Jordan Hasay 2:20:57 A Bank of America Chicago Marathon Chicago, IL 10/8/2017

Amy Cragg 2:21:42 A Tokyo Marathon Tokyo, JPN 2/24/2018

Kellyn Taylor 2:24:29 A Grandma's Marathon Duluth, MN 6/16/2018

Sara Hall 2:26:19 A Scotiabank Ottawa Marathon Ottawa, CAN 5/27/2018

Shalane Flanagan 2:26:22 A TCS New York City Marathon New York, NY 11/4/2018

Molly Huddle 2:26:44 A TCS New York City Marathon New York, NY 11/4/2018

Aliphine Tuliamuk 2:26:50 A NN Marathon Rotterdam Rotterdam, NLD 4/7/2019

Desiree Linden 2:27:00 A BAA Boston Marathon Boston, MA 4/15/2019

Allie Kieffer 2:28:12 A TCS New York City Marathon New York, NY 11/4/2018

Emma Bates 2:28:19 A California International Marathon Sacramento, CA 12/2/2018

Tuliamuk ran a 2:26 this month. And Sara Hall's mark was set on a record eligible course.

Didn't the qualifying window open only at the start of 2019? So any time run in 2018 won't qualify you? But yeah I think the list gives a good impression of the current strength of women's marathoners. The top 2 of Hasay and Cragg will be on the team if nothing crazy happens.

Glad she broke up with him. She was able to produce a great time doing it herself, her NYC time didn't improve much with Brad, I know there are other variables that day but I was hoping for better results.

I thought it was very weird watching Brad/Allie TV. I never had a coach nor would I ever be an elite. But a coach moving with your athlete, focusing on 1 and dumping his other runners, living with her, sharing food with her, letting her use his car, let her fly while he drives her dog to NYC, just seems so very odd. It appears more like a couple in a romantic relationship than a coach/athlete relationship.

I remember in one show when Allie was talking to her nutritionist about her female issue and Brad was there, is that normal? My guts tells me he is a creepy lonely old man.

Wish Allie the best, hope she recovers from the injuries so that at least she has a shot to the starting line, it is a crowded field for the 3 Olympics spots.

Lanana did this regularly and many, many high level programs today have copied him

runinthefort wrote:

I remember in one show when Allie was talking to her nutritionist about her female issue and Brad was there, is that normal? .

You've never been around women , have you? Or at least not any who were comfortable with you.

Maybe look up Austin's motto to understand Ciro.

ticking clock wrote:

Ciro wrote:

Austin is a weird choice.

No it's not. Similar hills, heat, and humidity to Atlanta. Smart choice, although time is ticking for all the top contenders to be healthy and qualify this year cause Atlanta won't be a cake walk for sub 2:29:30.

Certainly appears codependent, at best.

Theyre dating wrote:

I think the truth is that they are dating and no longer wanted to juggle a romantic relationship with a coach/athlete relationship, so they ended the professional relationship to pay more attention to their romantic one.

Or, she genuinely thought of him as a coach, but eventually realized he's a creeper and wouldn't leave her alone for more than two seconds. I tend to think she got tired of him hanging around all the time, and when things didn't go as planned--the injuries which scrapped her spring 2019 season--that was the final straw. It probably became really apparent when she was injured, yet he was still hanging around anyways even though there was no training going on.

On a totally amateur level, there are a LOT of older male "coaches" that have one or two female, usually way younger, athletes. The girl thinks she's getting a training plan and a coach and all this personalized attention, but he's just hanging out and running/biking with her since well, the girl is younger and attractive. I know of a few creepy older dudes that do this in the town where I live.

First off, I think your honestly sad. You don’t know either of these people, and let me remind you it’s very easy to judge when you have no idea of the circumstances. Allie is an amazing person, she has never and would never hook up with brad or any coach for that matter—she cares way to much about running and succeeding. As far as her and brad—it simple he was her coach, that’s it. For the last year he dedicated his skills to coaching only Allie so yes they were close, but never in an intimate way- and shame on all of you for assuming and gossiping. Brad is a good person, he has overcome more then any of you could understand, and at the end of the day he took a chance on someone he believed in, and you know what he still believes in her and wishes nothing but the best for her. People part ways, that can happen in any professional relationship.

So get over your petty gossiping and leave brad and Allie alone- our prime purpose in life is to help people and if you can’t help, you certainly

Shouldn’t aim to hurt them.

forcerunner wrote:

See IG post

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bwp1JtUAd3X/

An interesting piece of information in her IG post: “Shout out to @oiselle and @asics for being so incredibly patient and understanding through all of this. For not reducing me and helping me find the best scenario for me.”

Looks like ASICS and/or Oiselle have reduction clauses in their contracts. Sucks to not be with New Balance. Is Allie even getting any cash from ASICS?