Kenyan doper Asbel Kiprop (1500m), banned for 4 years by AIU due to convincingly made out case, can still appeal to CAS

Subway Surfers wrote:

Coevett wrote:

all his EPO couldn't- break El G's record.

How dodgy is the world 1500m record? If a high altitude native, capable of 1:43 for 800m, juiced up to the eyeballs can't break it on the Monaco track. The question isn't if El Guerrouj took drugs but how many he was taking.

Surprised El G is still breathing given all the chemicals he must have ingested in his career.

Anyone who ridicules the idea of Nick Willis being possibly the clean world record holder needs to take a good look at the all time list. Nostrils fill with the smell of EPO just browsing the top 20.

Coevett wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

Well, he’s done. Interesting it all happened the year he got overshadowed by younger athletes and couldn’t compete anymore. . What could have been a brilliant legacy ruined apparently when he realised he could no longer get out of bed or party like he used to and still beat everyone. Shame! He’s let a lot of Kenyans, including athletes, that looked up to him, down.

Even now apologizing for his doping and claiming that all his earlier achievements were clean. Disgusting! More like the ultimate Kenyan genetic phenotype couldn't run sub 3:35 without near full throttle doping.

A Kenyan body type was always overstated. Silas Kiplagat has a body dissimilar to Kiprop's build. For the followers of David Epstein and his genetic theories, December 31, 1989 Kenya had 5 or 6 men with lifetime 800m personal bests, sub-1:44; U.S.A. had 5 or 6 men with lifetime 800m personal bests, sub-1:44.

El Keniano wrote:

No doper wrote:

There is still so many things that points to that the samples was tampered. At the time when the samples was taken he was not in a hard training period and many months before races. Makes no sense to dope then even if he wanted to.

I don’t disagree, but I’m saying his character flaws may have contributed to how this played out.

So you are still defending him.

You're saying he's getting his ban because he's an absolute helmet, but you still think he's not a cheat?

Wake up call Kenny - even with the very limited testing done in Kenya (and the very effective seminars) most of your heroes are doped to the max. So so many have been caught now, enough for an asterix at least for Kenyan results in the past few decades.

El Keniano wrote:

Too good to be true wrote:

Very polite send off.

Given the rage and constant West conspiracies you display and spew; no El K you can’t be mildly philosophical on this.

Kiprop and the many others (Kenyan and other dopers in our sport), need to have very harsh words spoken about them.

No one is supporting him. But wait, you think it’s normal that ZERO dopers have been caught from pharma-dependent West?

So is he giving back the Oly medals and being stripped of titles?

trollism wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

I don’t disagree, but I’m saying his character flaws may have contributed to how this played out.

So you are still defending him.

You're saying he's getting his ban because he's an absolute helmet, but you still think he's not a cheat?

Wake up call Kenny - even with the very limited testing done in Kenya (and the very effective seminars) most of your heroes are doped to the max. So so many have been caught now, enough for an asterix at least for Kenyan results in the past few decades.

HA! Nice try with that tired trope. The AIU is on record stating that a quarter of its worldly resources are spent on Kenya alone. Hardly “limited” by any definition. Now, a system resulting in absolutely no dopers netted from Western Europe and North America? Now that, is “limited”.

El Keniano wrote:

No one is supporting him. But wait, you think it’s normal that ZERO dopers have been caught from pharma-dependent West?

Says a guy from the country where EPO was openly on sale over the counter in every high street pharmacy until very recently.

Good point. And we have to head over to Mexiko each time, or fake an illness or take MIL's EPO away from her. No fair.

BlimeyMate wrote:

So is he giving back the Oly medals and being stripped of titles?

Kiprop has no shame so wont hand back his Olympic Gold, and the IAAF can't or wont retrospectively award the Gold to Willis. I think even all the Beijing samples have been destroyed too so it's too late to reanalyze Kiprop's tests from that year.

It will be interesting to see if he maintains his innocence, or now that all hope is lost he will come clean (excuse the pun). It would be great if he spilled the beans and told everything he knows about doping in Kenya.

Nick Willis should consider suing him for loss of earnings and all the rest.

BlimeyMate wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

No one is supporting him. But wait, you think it’s normal that ZERO dopers have been caught from pharma-dependent West?

So is he giving back the Oly medals and being stripped of titles?

No. There is only the time from the sample was taken that counts for that . But this is of course a personal tragedy for him . Dont think he will come back to running 2022 ( think the ban will count from the end of 2017 when the samples was taken ) with reputation to be a doper.

El Keniano wrote:

trollism wrote:

So you are still defending him.

You're saying he's getting his ban because he's an absolute helmet, but you still think he's not a cheat?

Wake up call Kenny - even with the very limited testing done in Kenya (and the very effective seminars) most of your heroes are doped to the max. So so many have been caught now, enough for an asterix at least for Kenyan results in the past few decades.

HA! Nice try with that tired trope. The AIU is on record stating that a quarter of its worldly resources are spent on Kenya alone. Hardly “limited” by any definition. Now, a system resulting in absolutely no dopers netted from Western Europe and North America? Now that, is “limited”.

It's an expensive legal cost once you catch a cheat, that's why all their money is going on Kenya.

But you're still not accepting he's a cheat? So very Trump like. Defend in the face of all reason and throw in a bit of whataboutism.

Then if he finally admits it, you'll pretend you always hated him and you barely knew the guy.

No doper wrote:

But this is of course a personal tragedy for him .

On the contrary. He should feel lucky that he got away with it for a decade or so, which illegitimately made him rich and famous. For that, he should indeed go to jail. Like Armstrong and Ben Johnson.

There hasn't been a clean Kenyan Olympic champion since Peter Rono. That's a fact.

statto wrote:

There hasn't been a clean Kenyan Olympic champion since Peter Rono. That's a fact.

I honestly doubt if there has ever been a clean Kenyan Olympic 1500 champion. Rono was one of the most suspicious, coming out of nowhere to win in 88 in the period when Kenyans were suddenly winning golds (yet not particularly fast times, ie not yet EPO enhanced) and then never once winning a notable race.

And Kiprop is still maintaining his innocence.

"The decision is not only a blow to me, but it is not good for the sport of athletics," Kiprop told AFP.

"I have been insisting that I did not dope," he said. "I will continue to maintain my innocence, even if this decision now means I will not be eligible to run again for the next four years.

"It's sad that the world will believe that I am guilty of taking the performance-enhancing drugs and yet I have been at the forefront of fighting doping in the sport."

https://sports.yahoo.com/kiprop-banned-despite-multi-pronged-doping-defence-113604021--spt.html

By looking for the clean world record holder, I would discard:

- everyone from either NATO or Warsaw Pact during the cold war doping era

- everyone from the EPO era

- everyone from Algeria, Morocco, Kenya, Ethiopia

- everyone from a group with one doper

- everyone with a suspicious career jump

- everyone who cheated in his personal life

Then going through the 1500 list, the most likely clean world record holder is, taadaa, Leo! Yass!!

One can always dream...

Lol the letsrun pro-doping mod is in full damage control aka deletion mode again.

Coevett wrote:

BlimeyMate wrote:

So is he giving back the Oly medals and being stripped of titles?

Kiprop has no shame so wont hand back his Olympic Gold, and the IAAF can't or wont retrospectively award the Gold to Willis. I think even all the Beijing samples have been destroyed too so it's too late to reanalyze Kiprop's tests from that year.

It will be interesting to see if he maintains his innocence, or now that all hope is lost he will come clean (excuse the pun). It would be great if he spilled the beans and told everything he knows about doping in Kenya.

Nick Willis should consider suing him for loss of earnings and all the rest.

+1

Willis should be the gold medalist from Beijing. There's a lot of money and prestige that comes with an Olympic gold medal. The IAAF should implement a rule that if an athlete is convicted of doping, he or she loses all Olympic & WC medals...period! And Langford should be the bronze medalist from the 2017 WC and not Bett! He should sue for his medal that was stolen from him and the potential earnings that comes with being a WC medalist!

This nonsense with these dopers is just got to stop! Clean athletes are getting robbed of precious medals & titles from these dopers like there's no tomorrow. Willis must be sick to his stomach that doper Kiprop gets to keep that gold medal!

And for El K; he should be condemning Kiprop doper and supporting the idea that he should relinquish his Olympic gold and other WC medals. El K should be ashamed that Kiprop isn't man enough to publicly apologize to the clean athletes he stole from!

This doping culture with Kenya is got to stop! The IAAF won't ban them and they keep on doping (the Russians got banned and were sent a message to shape up or ship out).

A month or so ago it was Tokyo marathoner winner Sarah Chepchirchir provisionally suspended for doping, and just last week it was Kenyan national champion Cyrus Rutto provisionally suspended!

Who's going to be next?

When is this cheating ever going to stop!

suspiciouslier wrote:

By looking for the clean world record holder, I would discard:

- everyone from either NATO or Warsaw Pact during the cold war doping era

- everyone from the EPO era

- everyone from Algeria, Morocco, Kenya, Ethiopia

- everyone from a group with one doper

- everyone with a suspicious career jump

- everyone who cheated in his personal life

Then going through the 1500 list, the most likely clean world record holder is, taadaa, Leo! Yass!!

One can always dream...

Hi Casual Observer!

That's a good one of yours - doping was as rife in the UK and West Germany as East Germany and the Soviet Union.

I guess that explains all the muscle bound female middle-distance runners and sprinters from the UK that were the only ones who could live with the Eastern Bloc athletes.

Why do you as American have such a weird UK fetish?

Anyway, as you know, doping during the 70s and 80s was rife in West Germany, US, France etc. Why would the UK be any different?

You conclude that the Ethiopians dope en masse because the Kenyans do, so be a bit consequence for a change.