Have you ever met somebody who runs a fast 5k off 0 mpw?

Lance Armstrong ran an 18 minute 5k with only cycling and a little Androgel.

football. not the goalie, but a position that runs a lot with decent aerobic conditioning. Sub-18 for guys is significantly faster than a sub-22 for women though.

You pose a hypothetical which is impossible. You cannot run 0 mpw if you run a 5k.

itssoccerstupid wrote:

football. not the goalie, but a position that runs a lot with decent aerobic conditioning. Sub-18 for guys is significantly faster than a sub-22 for women though.

Not according to the mercier tables. Going off age grade isn’t fair seeing as the top women who set the world records have bodies that hormonally and structurally function like a man’s body.

Boxing has fast people.

Might take up wrestling wrote:

Most people here are underder the impression that any relatively sporty/competitive person who is not a runner could run good sprint times but completely tank after that but have you ever met somebody who could beat 90% of runners who never even runs? I’m talking about running at least a sub 18 for men or sub 22 for women just only conditioning from another sport? (No supplemental running) If so, what sport were they from?

Who has said untrained athletes could run “good” sprint times? By what standard? If people aren’t specifically training for an event they aren’t running “good” times, and this fact will be commensurate to race distance.

Maybe some decent male soccer player could run a 56-second quarter, but that isn’t good by any standard ... except for being an untrained sprinter ... who does a sport with a lot of running at variable intensities.

There isn’t a non-runner on the planet that is going to put up “good” times in any event.

Are you asking us to qualify shades of mediocrity?

Soccer players could do it, but they're basically just runners chasing an artificial lure. As for other sports, I'm sure natural sub 18 guys exist, but I bet they're exceedingly rare and would definitely come from something with a lot of continuous motion going on, like maybe ice hockey or ultimate frisbee. We're sort of stretching the definition of 0 MPW at that point though, aren't we?

- most amateur soccer players

- this kid in my school who was really skinny but ran those k rally fast

- a guy I know ran reaally fast for a 13k beat me and I didn't even know he trained, he once told me he does treadmill jogs sometimes ...at the gym..

I had two high school teammates who showed up day one to XC practice in (16:25-16:40) 5K condition. One, a cyclist and the other a tennis player. Both would get to sub-16 by end of October. I do not recall exactly their XC personal bests. Zero summer mileage for both of them. Both were both very physically active in their preferred sports.

I ran a 20 min 5k off only cycling (~7000 miles). Then, with 2500 running miles got it down to the 16s.

Most elites are terribly slow when they start (compared to their peak). Chris Solinsky dropped a 19:35 5k or something in as freshman.

What we see here is that all the ones that are fast on 0 mpw are generally already very fit and training for endurance - a couch potato often has troubles just running 1 mile, even if it's very slow. But immediate gains of even just 20 mpw for a few months are significant (I went from unable to jog a mile to 50 min 10k in just 3 months, but I'm also extremely talented).

I think nearly every guy on our football team team ran sub 18.

Might take up wrestling wrote:

Most people here are underder the impression that any relatively sporty/competitive person who is not a runner could run good sprint times but completely tank after that but have you ever met somebody who could beat 90% of runners who never even runs? I’m talking about running at least a sub 18 for men or sub 22 for women just only conditioning from another sport? (No supplemental running) If so, what sport were they from?

Many, many more people than this board would like to admit. While it wasn’t quite “0”, I joined the HS XC team as a sophomore. I had played football, wrestled, and run track as a freshman. I ran the 400 (57-58) and 800 (2:12). Maybe 20 mpw peak. Over the summer - I ran 0 miles. Went to two weeks of practice and got maybe 30 miles total in that time. I ran 18:10 in my first race. 17:55 by the second race 2 days later.

I did 18:11 when i was 17 only from cycling and one 5k run the week before the race. A lot of cycling though

It’sboxingthough wrote:

Not according to the mercier tables. Going off age grade isn’t fair seeing as the top women who set the world records have bodies that hormonally and structurally function like a man’s body.

Boxing has fast people.

huh. I'm a woman and feel like I know fewer guys running sub-18 than women going sub-22 now that I'm an adult ?‍♀️

Every spring there are incoming freshmen that have run 0 mpw and end up running sub 18 within a couple months. Lots of natural talent, they just didn't know it until they showed up.

My first 5k race i did off no exercise at all (other than golf). I got 23:30, which i thought was pretty good off nothing!

itssoccerstupid wrote:

It’sboxingthough wrote:

Not according to the mercier tables. Going off age grade isn’t fair seeing as the top women who set the world records have bodies that hormonally and structurally function like a man’s body.

Boxing has fast people.

huh. I'm a woman and feel like I know fewer guys running sub-18 than women going sub-22 now that I'm an adult ?‍♀️

Huh? I guess we’ve had different experiences. I know at least 10-15 guys who can run in the 16:00-17:45 range. I only know 3 females capable of sub 22:00 and I would say I know a fairly equal amount of total men and women, as a personal trainer in boxing I would say both my male and my female clients are just as hard working and competitive. I spend most of my time around boxers and soccer players because that’s what my friend group are into.

I've run many 18 minute 5ks. I've never been called fast. Slow, in fact.

I played club soccer for a few years from middle school into high school and by sophomore year when I stopped, I knew at least 3 guys from my county who could run sub 18 easy for a 5k and probably low 5 minutes or under for a mile. I know for a fact none of them ran track but I’m not sure if they ran by themselves, I wouldn’t assume any of them did.

I knew a boxer in high school who ran 5:0x on a treadmill for a mile but he said he did 3 mile runs 4 times a week.

All baseball/football/lacrosse/wrestling guys either had trash endurance or were dedicated and ran outside of practice.

short shorts and shorties wrote:

I played club soccer for a few years from middle school into high school and by sophomore year when I stopped, I knew at least 3 guys from my county who could run sub 18 easy for a 5k and probably low 5 minutes or under for a mile. I know for a fact none of them ran track but I’m not sure if they ran by themselves, I wouldn’t assume any of them did.

I knew a boxer in high school who ran 5:0x on a treadmill for a mile but he said he did 3 mile runs 4 times a week.

All baseball/football/lacrosse/wrestling guys either had trash endurance or were dedicated and ran outside of practice.

About half of my High School cross country team were lightweight boxers.

Two Olympic boxers ran in my local park and they were phenomenally fit.

There's a bunch of boxers who could run relatively fast times, thing is they don't strictly fit the criteria, because they do run a lot.