So the dude is still eligible and is finally back?!
So the dude is still eligible and is finally back?!
elias gedyon raced against lukas verzbicas in high school....what kind of f'd up loophole does he use to still compete?
elias gedyon is like 26 years old but still in college? wtf wrote:
elias gedyon raced against lukas verzbicas in high school....what kind of f'd up loophole does he use to still compete?
Don't act like you're completely unfamiliar with D2 eligibility rules. "You have the first 10 semesters or 15 quarters in which you are enrolled as a full-time student to complete your four seasons of competition"...instead of just 5 years from first full-time enrollment. Who knows how much time he spent enrolled part-time or not at all? I'm not sure of any specific age limit but he just turned 26 a few weeks ago.
bloob wrote:
elias gedyon is like 26 years old but still in college? wtf wrote:
elias gedyon raced against lukas verzbicas in high school....what kind of f'd up loophole does he use to still compete?
Don't act like you're completely unfamiliar with D2 eligibility rules
Most people have not read the division 2 eligibility rule book, don't act like just because you are a huge nerd that we all need to have read that and understand the entire book clearly.
#butthurt wrote:
bloob wrote:
Don't act like you're completely unfamiliar with D2 eligibility rules
Most people have not read the division 2 eligibility rule book, don't act like just because you are a huge nerd that we all need to have read that and understand the entire book clearly.
Why are the D2 rules so radically different from DI and DIII?
Adams State is notorious for cheating in regards to eligibility status. For example, bringing in foreign transfers and giving extra years of eligibility once they arrive, and accepting money in foreign (Australia) races. Had a few NCAA team titles taken back after Kevin Batt was deemed ineligible for a few seasons in which he competed.
The oldest active runner I know of is in D1 - Ednah Kurgat's age is listed as 28 by the IAAF. There was a walk on female swimmer at Pepperdine in CA that was 49.
Elias in NCAA?? wrote:
So the dude is still eligible and is finally back?!
That's cool. Glad to see that he's taking his training seriously again. Maybe he'll make a run at US Nats?
He's also ran 3.42, 4.01, 7.53 in 2019 and won the D2 3k title. I personally think it's awesome that he says gotten his running back on track (no pun intended).
Pretty interesting that he's getting to where we all thought he should be with the talent he displayed in high school. Totally commend this guy for taking the long road and making the most of his situation. Whatever happened to Jantzen Oshier?
I don't know his situation wrote:
Pretty interesting that he's getting to where we all thought he should be with the talent he displayed in high school. Totally commend this guy for taking the long road and making the most of his situation. Whatever happened to Jantzen Oshier?
I agree 1000%, also the ? about Oshier. I would assume like most college disappointments, we will never hear from him again. Makes Gedyon even more impressive in that regard.
Jealousy of Adams State’s record is understandable, but the cheating charge is untrue. The NCAA enforcement arm finds violations of its rules occurring fairly regularly, but most are unknowing and/or unintentional. “Cheating” involves knowing and intentional violations.
When the violation involves personal conduct by an athlete in another country before they enrolled at a U.S. university, the school has a responsibility to make a good faith effort to vet the individual. If they do not discover any disqualifying conduct, but it is uncovered later, the school still has to pay the price. Actually knowing about prohibited conduct and misrepresenting it to the NCAA would be cheating. “Bringing in foreign transfers” and asking the NCAA to grant extra years of eligibility to athletes are practices which are within NCAA regulations and are done routinely by many schools.
Agreed. Congrats to the guy for sticking to it and reaching this level years later. Most would have given up and moved on. He is running some fast times now. Way to give it another go and finding success.
YMMV wrote:
I don't know his situation wrote:
Pretty interesting that he's getting to where we all thought he should be with the talent he displayed in high school. Totally commend this guy for taking the long road and making the most of his situation. Whatever happened to Jantzen Oshier?
I agree 1000%, also the ? about Oshier. I would assume like most college disappointments, we will never hear from him again. Makes Gedyon even more impressive in that regard.
The funniest part about all of this eligibility cheating nonsense, is that Elias' PRs are still slower than Lukas.....
I don't know his situation wrote:
Whatever happened to Jantzen Oshier?
Probably stoned in a tent somewhere in Humbolt County, California.
26 and still running for college seriously bro? wrote:
YMMV wrote:
I agree 1000%, also the ? about Oshier. I would assume like most college disappointments, we will never hear from him again. Makes Gedyon even more impressive in that regard.
The funniest part about all of this eligibility cheating nonsense, is that Elias' PRs are still slower than Lukas.....
LV: 5000 Meters 14:06.78 New York, NY (USA) 11 MAR 2011
And more important, at 26 Gedyon is still a competitive runner.
The Starved Elephant wrote:
#butthurt wrote:
Most people have not read the division 2 eligibility rule book, don't act like just because you are a huge nerd that we all need to have read that and understand the entire book clearly.
Why are the D2 rules so radically different from DI and DIII?
Because of money and prestige.
There is no money in d3, so they have the most open rules. Basically if you are a student and havent competed as an NCAA athlete for your 4 years already in that sport, you can compete for your school.
D2 has a little more money, so they set an reasonable age limit and you have a clock that begins when you start competing.
D1 has the most money, so they have the tightest rules.
And even more important, he’s getting his college degree.
Oh wait, sorry for the interruption. Back to the posts about D2’s f’d up loopholes and Adams State’s cheating eligibility nonsense.
utbcw wrote:
And even more important, he’s getting his college degree.
Oh wait, sorry for the interruption. Back to the posts about D2’s f’d up loopholes and Adams State’s cheating eligibility nonsense.
*Unaccredited Degree
Academic wrote:
[quote]utbcw wrote:
And even more important, he’s getting his college degree.
Oh wait, sorry for the interruption. Back to the posts about D2’s f’d up loopholes and Adams State’s cheating eligibility nonsense.
*Unaccredited Degree[/quote
Obliged to point out that your retort is false.
https://www.adams.edu/about/accreditation/