For nearly 70k, you too can learn such great thoughts if you are admitted to Harvard.
“The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.
There has been vandalism and church burnings all over France for several years. The question which is not being asked in the media is, WHO IS DOING THIS?
ivy grad wrote:
For nearly 70k, you too can learn such great thoughts if you are admitted to Harvard.
“The building was so overburdened with meaning that its burning feels like an act of liberation,” says Patricio del Real, an architecture historian at Harvard University.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/notre-dame-cathedral-paris-fire-whats-next-822743/
Fully recognizing that not everyone pays the “full sticker price” of an Ivy, given the de facto subsidy they are receiving from those who do, I can’t understand why anyone would pay this ridiculously inflated tuition for a bastion of “higher learning.” “Liberal arts” degrees are becoming increasingly worthless, and these institutions are churning out more liberals lacking tangible skills.
Of course. The cathedral awaked a sense of nationalistic pride in France even if merely cultural and socially significant rather than ethnocentric. But we can't have that because anything that isn't deconstructive must be excised from our worldview else we risk colonizing the ignorant, helpless others of the world.
For a lot of people in France, Notre Dame is just a tourist trap. And in the days of the yellow vest movement, it is a symbol of the longstanding struggle between the people and the power held by the Catholic church and the rich. The French Revolution was fought against the unity of power between the aristocracy/monarchy and the Catholic Church. Notre Dame was the seat of that power during the French Revolution. So, while it is an extraordinary example of medieval architecture, it is also an uncomfortable reminder of the constant struggle for power in France between the centers of power in the church and upper class versus the working class French.
Precious Roy wrote:
For a lot of people in France, Notre Dame is just a tourist trap. And in the days of the yellow vest movement, it is a symbol of the longstanding struggle between the people and the power held by the Catholic church and the rich. The French Revolution was fought against the unity of power between the aristocracy/monarchy and the Catholic Church. Notre Dame was the seat of that power during the French Revolution. So, while it is an extraordinary example of medieval architecture, it is also an uncomfortable reminder of the constant struggle for power in France between the centers of power in the church and upper class versus the working class French.
"Just a tourist trap"
No, not JUST a tourist trap.
Here is the professor:
Patricio del Real | Harvard University
https://0.academia-photos.com/27672/13725510/15293716/s200_patricio.del_real.jpg
How White Liberals Will Wake Up
http://www.unz.com/article/how-white-liberals-will-wake-up/
"Most white liberals will not be convinced by rational arguments, no matter how strong or well-supported those arguments may be. They will only be convinced by threats to their basic safety. This, in turn, points to the real barrier. Most white liberals do not feel threatened."
The Growing Threat
"The coming awakening of white liberals, which in the United States will probably occur over the next decade, will be primarily due to five factors."
"A third factor is growing cultural threat. Unlike direct contact, which is lessened by white flight, there is no escaping mass culture. As was noted in a recent Vox article, White Threat in a Browning America:
We live in an America where television programs, commercials, and movies are trying to represent a browner country; where Black Panther is a celebrated cultural event and #OscarsSoWhite is a nationally known hashtag; where NFL players kneel during the national anthem to protest police brutality and pressing 1 for English is commonplace.
This unavoidable onslaught is a constant reminder to America’s white population that their nation is changing. Research has shown that such messages make them more conservative, view minorities less positively, and feel more attachment to other whites.
A fourth factor is the growth of explicitly anti-white rhetoric. The idea that “whiteness” is inherently evil and should be abolished originated in academia, but now it is seeping into our broader culture and political discourse. Treating people equally and with decency regardless of their race was once sufficient to avoid the racist label, but now it elicits charges of color-blind racism and implicit bias. Unsurprisingly, research has found that accusations of white privilege can make people feel defensive and resentful. Even white allies are not immune. Black Lives Matter demonstrators protested Bernie Sanders’ candidacy. White feminists were blamed for Trump’s election and criticized for their “white supremacy in heels.”
Seems like a weird thing for you to get all worked up about. So what.
I just put my pitchfork away for the day. Ask me tomorrow and maybe I'll get on social media with full force hoping to get this guy fired or whatever your agenda might be. Until then I've go no fcks to give today.
ivy grad wrote:
For nearly 70k, you too can learn such great thoughts if you are admitted to Harvard.
You're not paying that much for the education, you're paying for the access.
aweaefasdfasdf wrote:
Patricio del Real | Harvard University
https://0.academia-photos.com/27672/13725510/15293716/s200_patricio.del_real.jpgHow White Liberals Will Wake Up
http://www.unz.com/article/how-white-liberals-will-wake-up/"Most white liberals will not be convinced by rational arguments, no matter how strong or well-supported those arguments may be. They will only be convinced by threats to their basic safety. This, in turn, points to the real barrier. Most white liberals do not feel threatened."
The Growing Threat
"The coming awakening of white liberals, which in the United States will probably occur over the next decade, will be primarily due to five factors."
"A third factor is growing cultural threat. Unlike direct contact, which is lessened by white flight, there is no escaping mass culture. As was noted in a recent Vox article, White Threat in a Browning America:
We live in an America where television programs, commercials, and movies are trying to represent a browner country; where Black Panther is a celebrated cultural event and #OscarsSoWhite is a nationally known hashtag; where NFL players kneel during the national anthem to protest police brutality and pressing 1 for English is commonplace.
This unavoidable onslaught is a constant reminder to America’s white population that their nation is changing. Research has shown that such messages make them more conservative, view minorities less positively, and feel more attachment to other whites.
A fourth factor is the growth of explicitly anti-white rhetoric. The idea that “whiteness” is inherently evil and should be abolished originated in academia, but now it is seeping into our broader culture and political discourse. Treating people equally and with decency regardless of their race was once sufficient to avoid the racist label, but now it elicits charges of color-blind racism and implicit bias. Unsurprisingly, research has found that accusations of white privilege can make people feel defensive and resentful. Even white allies are not immune. Black Lives Matter demonstrators protested Bernie Sanders’ candidacy. White feminists were blamed for Trump’s election and criticized for their “white supremacy in heels.”
Is there a point to this off-topic rant?
maybe tomorrow wrote:
Seems like a weird thing for you to get all worked up about. So what.
I just put my pitchfork away for the day. Ask me tomorrow and maybe I'll get on social media with full force hoping to get this guy fired or whatever your agenda might be. Until then I've go no fcks to give today.
You won't say anything on social media that would be unpopular, so don't pretend otherwise.
"Humans are extremely sensitive to the possibility of social rejection.
In today’s Western societies, anti-racism has come to be viewed as the morally correct position and racism as the ultimate evil. This creates substantial incentives for conformity in our racial views and rewards status-seeking behavior (sometimes referred to as “virtue signaling”) on racial issues. In those cases where this dominant moral paradigm conflicts with an individual’s other needs, such as the desire to live in a safe neighborhood, rationalizations provide the necessary cover so that white liberals can avoid guilt and cognitive dissonance while simultaneously engaging in hypocritical behavior."
http://www.unz.com/article/how-white-liberals-will-wake-up/Western Civ has, for centuries, played a back and forth between being grateful for its cultural heritage (such as Notre Dame) and being resentful for being tied down by it. This is nothing new at all - Western civ is torn between reverence and disdain for its past.
Take a look at the futurists in Italy, rock and roll of the 60s, or the post impressionists in france, or any number of modernist writers, trying to break open the straightjacket of this history of the west, so new things can be created.
Some artists have always craved 'liberation' and others have always craved working within a tradition. This is totally normal and gives us so much great art.
Harvard is a great institution and thriving marketplace of ideas.
gsdfgsdfgdfgsdfg wrote:
maybe tomorrow wrote:
Seems like a weird thing for you to get all worked up about. So what.
I just put my pitchfork away for the day. Ask me tomorrow and maybe I'll get on social media with full force hoping to get this guy fired or whatever your agenda might be. Until then I've go no fcks to give today.
You won't say anything on social media that would be unpopular, so don't pretend otherwise.
Wildly unpopular and publicly under my own name? No. Why would I open myself up to crazy people forming an internet mob against me. Social media is pretty much everything that is wrong with society, but you go on continuing to fight the good fight. You picked a real winner with this particular topic of something barely offensive a professor said..
Why do Americans care so much about a french building? I thought you guys hated French people.
Precious Roy wrote:
For a lot of people in France, Notre Dame is just a tourist trap. And in the days of the yellow vest movement, it is a symbol of the longstanding struggle between the people and the power held by the Catholic church and the rich. The French Revolution was fought against the unity of power between the aristocracy/monarchy and the Catholic Church. Notre Dame was the seat of that power during the French Revolution. So, while it is an extraordinary example of medieval architecture, it is also an uncomfortable reminder of the constant struggle for power in France between the centers of power in the church and upper class versus the working class French.
Interesting, though, that the revolutionaries themselves chose to leave Notre Dame standing. They could have torched the thing in 1799 if they really considered it to be such a symbol of oppression.
could have burned it a long time ago wrote:
Precious Roy wrote:
For a lot of people in France, Notre Dame is just a tourist trap. And in the days of the yellow vest movement, it is a symbol of the longstanding struggle between the people and the power held by the Catholic church and the rich. The French Revolution was fought against the unity of power between the aristocracy/monarchy and the Catholic Church. Notre Dame was the seat of that power during the French Revolution. So, while it is an extraordinary example of medieval architecture, it is also an uncomfortable reminder of the constant struggle for power in France between the centers of power in the church and upper class versus the working class French.
Interesting, though, that the revolutionaries themselves chose to leave Notre Dame standing. They could have torched the thing in 1799 if they really considered it to be such a symbol of oppression.
They did a tremendous amount of physical damage to it during the revolution. But true, they didn't literally destroy it. In a classic western move, they relabeled it 'temple of truth and reason' or something like that. After stripping it from it much of its religious iconography. Again, trying to liberate themelves from the past.
It's a very common thing in western history. This professor is well within the western tradition to think this way.
just stating the obvious here wrote: There has been vandalism and church burnings all over France for several years. The question which is not being asked in the media is, WHO IS DOING THIS?
Hopefully it's a group of sexual abuse victims that never received justice for the crimes perpetrated upon them by predator priests.....all because the Church chose to prioritize its brand over its spiritual and legal obligations to turn over all those so-called men of God to the authorities. Figuratively speaking, of course, that entire religious institution should burn to the ground.
He's not wrong.
