Is joining the military after college a bad idea?

No, it's not a bad idea. You might consider applying for OCS/OTS rather than enlisting.

No, it is not a bad idea.

It’s financially a good decision. Officers make six figures to start and it only goes higher. Plus a guaranteed pension.

Also was thinking about the joining army reserves. Thoughts?

sbeefyk2 wrote:

It’s financially a good decision. Officers make six figures to start and it only goes higher. Plus a guaranteed pension.

Officers do not make 6 figures to start.

Alan

certified idiot wrote:

I'm majoring in political science with a minor in criminal justice. My general plan is to work for the federal government after college (FBI, Homeland Security, etc.), then eventually state/local government on the side. I thought about enlisting before going to college but decided against it for several reasons. The main reason I'm asking is because it's a lot easier to get a good job in law enforcement with military service on your resume. Has anybody done this before? A lot of the people I've talked to got their degree after their service.

Finish your degree. Go to OCS.

Alan

Runningart2004 wrote:

sbeefyk2 wrote:

It’s financially a good decision. Officers make six figures to start and it only goes higher. Plus a guaranteed pension.

Officers do not make 6 figures to start.

Alan

Maybe if you include benefits?

just stating the facts wrote:

Runningart2004 wrote:

Officers do not make 6 figures to start.

Alan

Maybe if you include benefits?

Nope. An Officer is going to pretty much have to wait until he’s a Major (O-4) before he makes 6 figures.

Military pay charts, average promotion rates, allowances for housing and other pays are a Google search away.

Alan

I’m a Staff Sergeant with 8 yrs in active right now.

Alan

When are you graduating? Because law enforcement may be a very different profession by then, What's happening now is law enforcement is becoming totally behind the people and the "us against them" mentally is going away for good.. This Is causing the culture to change to one that is more peaceful and respectful of everyone, regardless of who they are. Protection of fundamentals rights and keeping people safe is the focus these days and it's only going to get better.

It's not just the US; it's a world-wide trend. I know. I've seen it with my own eyes in different countries and I'm just hoping I can see the full change of the world society in my lifetime. It's out with waste, incompetence and abuse of power and in with peace, prosperity, health and happiness for everyone.

firi wrote:

When are you graduating? Because law enforcement may be a very different profession by then, What's happening now is law enforcement is becoming totally behind the people and the "us against them" mentally is going away for good.. This Is causing the culture to change to one that is more peaceful and respectful of everyone, regardless of who they are. Protection of fundamentals rights and keeping people safe is the focus these days and it's only going to get better.

It's not just the US; it's a world-wide trend. I know. I've seen it with my own eyes in different countries and I'm just hoping I can see the full change of the world society in my lifetime. It's out with waste, incompetence and abuse of power and in with peace, prosperity, health and happiness for everyone.

You're delusional and anti-safety.

Street gangs run wild, and now the media climate is so anti-police that police just stay out of poor neighborhoods entirely, while the poor people of heritage slaughter each other.

"peace, prosperity, health, and happiness for everyone".

What a load of communist crap. Your understanding of human nature and the effects of IQ on behavior are completely lacking.

Patting yourself on the back for believing that everybody just wants to work really hard and be lower-middle class and happy enough, that's just not realistic. It's not even good for the planet for you to believe that. There will always be lazy, low-IQ people who will want to get rich quick, rather than get middle class slowly, by robbing people and selling lethal drugs.

And people like you will object every time a policeman does his job correctly and goes home to his family alive.

Police are quietly quitting the force because of lack of public support. Too many people think that police should just die rather than shoot an armed thug, because "that's what police sign up for".

Terrifying moment a loner gunman opens fire on SWAT team members after he shot and killed five of his co-workers at Aurora manufacturing plant on the day he was supposed to be fired

Surveillance footage from the February mass shooting was released Wednesday

It shows the moment Gary Martin, 45, prepares to ambush police officers

The clip, posted online by police, shows four camera angles from Henry Pratt Co.

It shows Martin, who had one pistol and eight pistol magazines, in the lobby

He picks up a bin of cleaning products, throwing them to the ground

Cops then seen running towards the lobby as police cars swarm the parking lot

Martin, who was carrying a black ammunition bag, was killed in police gunfire

He killed five co-workers and wounded six other people, including five officers

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Right after learning Friday that he was being fired from his job of 15 years at the Henry Pratt Co. in Aurora, Gary Martin pulled out a gun and began shooting

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/04/18/03/12415174-6934611-image-a-21_1555554553183.jpg

HR Intern Trevor Wehner, 22, was killed on his first day on the job

2016: Five Dallas Officers Were Killed as Payback, Police Chief Says

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Micah Johnson, the gunman who carried out Thursday night’s attack in Dallas, leaving five police officers dead and seven wounded, was a military veteran who appears to have identified with black power groups.

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From left, Lorne Ahrens, Michael Krol, Michael J. Smith, Brent Thompson and Patrick Zamarripa were killed in Dallas.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html

7 MONTHS AGO

Two Mississippi Cops Killed in Shootout

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The two officers were identified by authorities as James White,35, and Zack Moak, 31. They were killed after responding to reports of shots fired in Brookhaven

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The suspected gunman, identified by officials as Marquis Flowers, was hurt during the incident. Flowers, 25, was taken to an area hospital. Police Chief Kenneth Collins said at a press conference following the shooting that “These were two awesome people who lost their lives in the line of duty and they're both heroes,"

Today's news. The cop got shot because of the PC climate that ignores the black-on-cop war:

NYPD cop is shot in Manhattan following exchange of gunfire, leaving one suspect in critical condition and another in custody

NYPD responded to a call of a man shooting his gun up in the air on Thursday

When officers arrived the man allegedly shot at them, striking one in the arm

Officers returned fire at the suspect, who was with another man, and shot him

He remains in critical condition at Mount Sinai St. Luke’s Hospital, police say

The stricken officer is also in hospital and is said to be in a stable condition

A police officer has been shot during a confrontation with a suspect in the Washington Heights area of Manhattan on Thursday, the NYPD have revealed.

Officers from the New York Police Department were summoned to 191st Street and Wadsworth Avenue to reports of a man repeatedly shooting his gun in the air, at 4:30pm.

When police arrived, the man is said to have then focused his line of fire towards the officers, striking one of them in the arm.

Officers returned fire at the suspect, who was with another man, and shot him. He was taken to hospital Mount Sinai St. Luke’s Hospital where he remains in critical condition.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6938221/BREAKING-NYPD-cop-shot-Manhattan-suspect-killed-taken-custody.html

"Street gangs run wild,"

They have but now there is a culture of peace on the way. The gangs in LA recently marched for peace, together. Look it up. IQ and crime are not cause and effect by themselves. The biggest cause is the pressures of society. This is changing. I'm not saying crime is way down today or that it will be gone tomorrow. I'm saying there is trend towards reality - it's not communist at all. It's helping your neighbor and this includes sharing good information about opportunities that are suited to everyone, no matter what their "IQ". A policeman is now becoming more of a safety officer - helping people stay safe and not someone people, regardless who they are, fear.

It's coming. People know it but they can't see it. Once they do it will be all over. Look what happened in Tunisia, Egypt and other countries in 2011. The people had "had it". Then what happened is there was no one to protect the people's rights. So now their still repressed but there is an underlying sense of revolution at anytime. It will happen. The internet has "gelled" with the evolution of society and is showing people what's real and what isn't. Most people in fact want to create and enjoy their lives, regardless if they become rich or not. You wrongly assume that lower IQ dark skinned people would rather take wealth from someone else than to earn it by themselves. Definitely 100% not true. That is if they exist in a culture that supports the principles.

You mean if they are raised by white people or smart, upper-middle class black people in nice high IQ neighborhoods.

I'm not saying all low IQ blacks are criminals, but their rates of criminality are sky high compared to every other ethnic group. And every other ethnic group has a higher average IQ.

You're just a delusional liberal, and your Utopian idealism is your religion.

If the black community cut their violence rate by half, they would still be 4x as violent per capita as non-black Americans. And we all know that the're not going to cut their violence rate by half.

But even being 8x more violent than average Americans, you will still pretend that it is somebody else's fault, and that evil cops and white people are the real problem.

The black community is completely and unwilling to improve their behavior in ANY way at all. That in itself is a sign of very low IQ, just like all the test scores and other scientific data. 75% of black kids born out of wedlock, by far the highest rates of all STDs, by far the highest rates of child abuse, highest rates of teen pregnancy, almost infinitely higher rates of all violent crimes. By far the lowest test scores at every grade level, and lowest literacy rates by far even among high school graduates.

And their average IQ is so low that scientists had to lower the standard for mild retardation because too many blacks tested out below 70-75 IQ.

This is just from today's news:

More than 30 arrested when fights break out as hundreds of young people converge on downtown Chicago

More than 30 teenagers were arrested in downtown Chicago when fights broke out Wednesday night as hundreds of students and about 200 officers wound through bustling streets.

The large groups of young people, many of them high school students, moved through the Loop and the Near North Side, according to Chief of Patrol Fred Waller, speaking at the corner of State and Lake streets after 9 p.m. Wednesday.

A total of 31 people, 23 males and eight females — all juveniles, ages 15 to 17 — were taken into custody, most of them charged with disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor, and released to their parents, police said Thursday. Other charges included disorderly mob action, resisting arrest and battery, according to a police statement.

Waller said there probably were about 500 teens traveling through the city.

New Officers make around $38000 per year, + housing allowance + food, which probably gets you in the neighborhood of $50, 000 before taxes. That isn’t too bad for a new college grad. There are CU Boulder engineers grads that can’t grab that. I recommend graduating college, joining the Air Force as an officer, get some great experience, a high level security clearance, and possibly get a nice career and a retirement. Air Force is more corporate engineering world than the other branches and you are generally treated better. There are great travel benefits, too, which really a huge military benefit along job security.

In the military, you'll be serving alongside a lot of dumb, reckless, trashy people, both in basic and after, don't recommend it.