World rankings- top 10 marathon runners

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Debela mainly on one performance?

Yeah he wasn’t really on anyone’s radar before Sunday. Coming in to that race he had a 2:07:10 PR from Eindhoven ‘17, when he was 22, and had won 3 marathons in China in the past 2 years. Obviously his run in Chicago was the best of his career, and placing 2nd to Cherono by one second while beating 3 others who could be honorable mentions is no minor result. Considering his fairly young age and the fact that Chicago ‘19 was his first WMM ever, I give him an “honorable mention” not because he’s a foolproof choice for continuing top-15 performance, but because he’s someone to keep an eye on.

Amsterdam is this coming weekend but I still can’t find an elite entry list.

I have written to Amsterdam, nothing back yet.

Aussiestatman wrote:

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Yeah he wasn’t really on anyone’s radar before Sunday. Coming in to that race he had a 2:07:10 PR from Eindhoven ‘17, when he was 22, and had won 3 marathons in China in the past 2 years. Obviously his run in Chicago was the best of his career, and placing 2nd to Cherono by one second while beating 3 others who could be honorable mentions is no minor result. Considering his fairly young age and the fact that Chicago ‘19 was his first WMM ever, I give him an “honorable mention” not because he’s a foolproof choice for continuing top-15 performance, but because he’s someone to keep an eye on.

Amsterdam is this coming weekend but I still can’t find an elite entry list.

I have written to Amsterdam, nothing back yet.

Hoping to here back during tonight, my time, or tomorrow at the latest. I am hoping Birhane Dibaba and Azmera Abreha might be both in the women’s field. Another hypothetical: if birhane won in this year’s second fastest time, would you rank her as high as 3 or 4?

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

I have written to Amsterdam, nothing back yet.

Hoping to here back during tonight, my time, or tomorrow at the latest. I am hoping Birhane Dibaba and Azmera Abreha might be both in the women’s field. Another hypothetical: if birhane won in this year’s second fastest time, would you rank her as high as 3 or 4?

No such luck, list is out.

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

we just need another four to complete a 20, in a hypothetical, with 4 of the top 60 competing in lanzhou as we speak, if one can crush the course record there: would she deserve a place in 17-20 here?

Just considering another four to make this list: maybe B.Dibaba (9th in London, winner Tokyo last year), Meskerem Assefa (4th Boston after two wins in under 2.22 in 2018), Y.Melese (disappointing 11th in Tokyo after two quick performances under 2.21 last year), and Boru Feyse Tadese (hasn’t run since second in Dubai early 2018). They are the veterans, the four up and comers in the mix are Bedatu Hirpa, Dera Dida, Azmera Abreha, and Visiline Jepkesho.

Frankfurt in the 27th is playing host not only to jemeli and m. Assefa; but also to b.hirpu and Alemu Megertu. Could be all four under 2.23.

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Just considering another four to make this list: maybe B.Dibaba (9th in London, winner Tokyo last year), Meskerem Assefa (4th Boston after two wins in under 2.22 in 2018), Y.Melese (disappointing 11th in Tokyo after two quick performances under 2.21 last year), and Boru Feyse Tadese (hasn’t run since second in Dubai early 2018). They are the veterans, the four up and comers in the mix are Bedatu Hirpa, Dera Dida, Azmera Abreha, and Visiline Jepkesho.

Frankfurt in the 27th is playing host not only to jemeli and m. Assefa; but also to b.hirpu and Alemu Megertu. Could be all four under 2.23.

So this weekend we have Dibabe Kuma probably winning Toronto; next weekend at Frankfurt the four way go mentioned above and maybe 6 under 2.24 in Ljubljana including the quickest half marathoner making her debut this year before Joyciline runs New York. Depending on placings and times, do any get to the cusp of the ten?

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Hoping to here back during tonight, my time, or tomorrow at the latest. I am hoping Birhane Dibaba and Azmera Abreha might be both in the women’s field. Another hypothetical: if birhane won in this year’s second fastest time, would you rank her as high as 3 or 4?

No such luck, list is out.

Amsterdam tomorrow has three chances to go sub 2.23 and another 4 under 2.24.

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

No such luck, list is out.

Amsterdam tomorrow has three chances to go sub 2.23 and another 4 under 2.24.

How about a debutant and a 2.26 girl both sub 2.20?

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Amsterdam tomorrow has three chances to go sub 2.23 and another 4 under 2.24.

How about a debutant and a 2.26 girl both sub 2.20?

And they are now 4th and sixth quickest ALL year.

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Frankfurt in the 27th is playing host not only to jemeli and m. Assefa; but also to b.hirpu and Alemu Megertu. Could be all four under 2.23.

So this weekend we have Dibabe Kuma probably winning Toronto; next weekend at Frankfurt the four way go mentioned above and maybe 6 under 2.24 in Ljubljana including the quickest half marathoner making her debut this year before Joyciline runs New York. Depending on placings and times, do any get to the cusp of the ten?

Wonder what happened to Kuma. I will write to the organisers tonight.

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Frankfurt in the 27th is playing host not only to jemeli and m. Assefa; but also to b.hirpu and Alemu Megertu. Could be all four under 2.23.

So this weekend we have Dibabe Kuma probably winning Toronto; next weekend at Frankfurt the four way go mentioned above and maybe 6 under 2.24 in Ljubljana including the quickest half marathoner making her debut this year before Joyciline runs New York. Depending on placings and times, do any get to the cusp of the ten?

Salpeter added to Frankfurt

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Women:

1. Brigid Kosgei

2. Ruth Chepng’etich

3. Worknesh Degefa

4. Vivian Cheruiyot

5. Ashete Bekere

6. Roza Dereje

7. Mary Keitany

8. Ruti Aga

9. Gladys Cherono

10. Rose Chelimo

Honorable mention: Mare Dibaba, Gelete Burka, Lonah Salpeter, Abanel Yeshaneh, Helalia Johannes

Degefa out of New York, leaves it to Mary v Aga. Do you give a HM to either of the first two in Amsterdam?

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

So this weekend we have Dibabe Kuma probably winning Toronto; next weekend at Frankfurt the four way go mentioned above and maybe 6 under 2.24 in Ljubljana including the quickest half marathoner making her debut this year before Joyciline runs New York. Depending on placings and times, do any get to the cusp of the ten?

Salpeter added to Frankfurt

For me: after the way she collapsed at worlds, Lorna can’t contend here. Maybe just outside 2.24 if she decides that fourth or fifth is good enough. Otherwise, a DNF.

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

I have written to Amsterdam, nothing back yet.

Hoping to here back during tonight, my time, or tomorrow at the latest. I am hoping Birhane Dibaba and Azmera Abreha might be both in the women’s field. Another hypothetical: if birhane won in this year’s second fastest time, would you rank her as high as 3 or 4?

Substitute birhane for jemeli, on the way to a 2.14 high

Jemeli slowed at the end, probably because she could. Wonder what will be next?

Aussiestatman wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Thinking about the men this fall: Legese over Sisay Lemma in Berlin, geremew wins worlds, cherono beats molla and Farah in Chicago, desisa over kitata in New York. Top eight becomes

Kipchoge

Geremew

L. Cherono

Desisa

Wasihun

Legese

Kitata

Molla, IMO.

So interested if Kamworor or K.Bekele can put in a performance to be in the mix for a year end top ten ranking.

New York next weekend: kamworor v desisa v kitata

will the New York result be the last this year to potentially change the year end top 20 for women or men?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Aussiestatman wrote:

Molla out of Chicago casts a doubt over him in my ten.

No doubt. By this morning I was thinking of it as a match-race between Cherono and Farah, but of course Farah bombed...?

1. Eliud Kipchoge

2. Kenenisa Bekele

3. Lawrence Cherono

4. Lelisa Desisa

5. Mosinet Geremew

6. Berhanu Legese

7. Marius Kipserem

8. Shura Kitata

9. Mule Wasihun

10. Sisay Lemma

Honorable mention:

Dejene Debela, Asefa Mengstu, Getaneh Molla, Amos Kipruto

Close call on the last spot.

Lemma ran 2.03.36 to be third in berlin, what time would kamworor have to win NY in to top him out? Or would beating kitata be enough to drop him out instead?

John Wesley Harding wrote:

Women:

1. Brigid Kosgei

2. Ruth Chepng’etich

3. Worknesh Degefa

4. Vivian Cheruiyot

5. Ashete Bekere

6. Roza Dereje

7. Mary Keitany

8. Ruti Aga

9. Gladys Cherono

10. Rose Chelimo

Honorable mention: Mare Dibaba, Gelete Burka, Lonah Salpeter, Abanel Yeshaneh, Helalia Johannes

Does jemeli winning Frankfurt in 2.19.10 tip out rose c. or is there still another event in these last two months of the year that may host someone like azmera abreha or birhane dibaba? Istanbul, Shanghai and Valencia were the fast three last year but surely nobody wins Istanbul as quick(there is only one Ruth c.)