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Where is Walmsey? Like 11th or 12th?
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Have you seen the track and field news rankings? Thoughts? Are these the ‘official’ rankings you use in other threads when you make statements like: Kipchoge coming up to seven straight year end number ones?
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Aussiestatman wrote:
Have you seen the track and field news rankings? Thoughts? Are these the ‘official’ rankings you use in other threads when you make statements like: Kipchoge coming up to seven straight year end number ones?
Yeah, I’m looking at them just now. I refer to them a lot when compiling all-time type rankings. I must have assumed they’d keep Kipchoge at #1. I suppose that if you totally disregard the Ineos event and look exclusively at 2019, Bekele might win as far as a “speed rating” or something, but it honestly seems like they wanted to throw a slight curveball.
Their marathon rankings are similar to what I have most recently—before they released their list.
J. W. Harding/T&F News
1. Kipchoge 1. Bekele
2. Bekele 2. Kipchoge
3. Cherono 3. Cherono
4. Desisa 4. Desisa
5. Geremew 5. Legese
6. Legese 6. Geremew
7. Kamworor 7. Wasihun
8. Wasihun 8. Toroitich
9. Kitata 9. Kamworor
10. Lemma 10. Tamire (Molla)
Most of the differences in our lists could be due to the fact that T&F News is looking to rank the top-10 for a single, isolated year, while I’m aiming for a continuous running list that carries over from year to year. The two men I have at #9 and #10 (Kitata and Lemma) who are not on T&F News’s 2019 list were ranked #4 & #8 respectively on their 2018 edition. In the case of Kitata, who I also ranked #4 in the first post of the thread, he performed solidly enough in 2019 (two top-5s at WMMs, 2:05:01 SB, win at Houston half) to suggest he might perform to his 2018 standard on a different day and shouldn’t be discounted. Lemma (3rd in Berlin in 2:03:38) & Molla (1st in Dubai in 2:03:34) each had one very good race in ‘19, but Lemma has past results that I think make him more deserving of a ranking, or marginally more likely to repeat sub-2:04.
Vincent Toroitich (Kipchumba) had a great year winning both his marathons, Vienna in 2:06:56 and Amsterdam in 2:05:09, having never broken 2:10 in the past 5 years he’s raced the marathon. On 2019 alone he looks good for a nod, but I’d like to see him continue his high-class performances into 2020, run sub-2:05 or finish on the podium at a WMM before I rank him top-10.
I’m looking forward to Dubai during these doldrums of the distance running calendar. -
London women’s shortlist is out. If Megertu can run worknesh into another sub 2.18 in Dubai and get within 20 sec; her and Azimeraw could wreak some havoc in London.
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I don't know if Kitata should be in top 10. His last three marathons:
Xiamen DNF
NY 5th place 2:10:39
Doha DNF.
If next time he won't run sub2:05 or be on podium in a Major marathon, I will change my mind. But now he's definitely not in his 2018 shape. -
Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Women:
1. Brigid Kosgei
2. Ruth Chepng’etich
3. Worknesh Degefa
4. Vivian Cheruiyot
5. Ashete Bekere
6. Roza Dereje
7. Mary Keitany
8. Ruti Aga
9. Gladys Cherono
10. Rose Chelimo
Honorable mention: Mare Dibaba, Gelete Burka, Lonah Salpeter, Abanel Yeshaneh, Helalia Johannes
Agree on the top 9 pretty much the same order, then:
Jemeli
Salpeter
R.chelimo
Johannes
Mare dibaba
Yeshaneh
T.girma
A.gebru
Azimeraw
Burka
E.kiplagat
These 20 cover the top 17 quickest all year plus 2,3, and 4 from the w. Champs
I still think y.melese and a.abreha might return to shanghai this Sunday and crash this 20 with a sub 2.21. Also been waiting for birhane since c/Hagen
I kept the 20 in order for my year end thread but wrote a re-do at halfway just after the top 9 in Valencia were the fastest 9 ever in one marathon. I concluded then that the top four from Valencia changed things. If I knew previous to that day just how fast those four would run I would have put Azmera Abreha in at ten, Jemeli just outside the ten, birhane into the 20 with one dropping out. The one to drop out would have to be Azmera Gebru because she had gone head to head with both Burka in Paris and Girma in Amsterdam and finished next after both. I still wanted to include the fastest debutant and the fourth at worlds. In my opinion, each of those two performances outweigh the combined two quick times from Gebru, but I concede she is unlucky.
Then just outside the 20 would come fifth, sixth, and seventh in Valencia because sub 2.21 was the marker I wanted to use as a cut-off.
Another just outside the 20: Helen Bekele Tola, two good major results in the year.
On Friday, when we get full elite fields for London; I wonder how many more of these top athletes will be in the mix? -
Alll wrote:
I don't know if Kitata should be in top 10. His last three marathons:
Xiamen DNF
NY 5th place 2:10:39
Doha DNF.
If next time he won't run sub2:05 or be on podium in a Major marathon, I will change my mind. But now he's definitely not in his 2018 shape.
Fair point, I was overlooking his DNF in Xiamen on the 5th. It’s hard to say if he or Dejene Debela (defending Xiamen champ, 2nd in Chicago ‘19) were focused on that race at all or if they were just taking good appearance fees as “big name” former participants.
I don’t particularly disagree with you, but I don’t care to anoint anybody to the bottom of the list right now. Hopefully someone will grab themselves a ranking at Houston or Dubai.
Let me know if you guys see a press release for the Tokyo elite fields—should be in the next couple weeks I’d think. -
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Alll wrote:
I don't know if Kitata should be in top 10. His last three marathons:
Xiamen DNF
NY 5th place 2:10:39
Doha DNF.
If next time he won't run sub2:05 or be on podium in a Major marathon, I will change my mind. But now he's definitely not in his 2018 shape.
Fair point, I was overlooking his DNF in Xiamen on the 5th. It’s hard to say if he or Dejene Debela (defending Xiamen champ, 2nd in Chicago ‘19) were focused on that race at all or if they were just taking good appearance fees as “big name” former participants.
I don’t particularly disagree with you, but I don’t care to anoint anybody to the bottom of the list right now. Hopefully someone will grab themselves a ranking at Houston or Dubai.
Let me know if you guys see a press release for the Tokyo elite fields—should be in the next couple weeks I’d think.
Tokyo was announced Jan 23 last year. -
Aussiestatman wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Alll wrote:
I don't know if Kitata should be in top 10. His last three marathons:
Xiamen DNF
NY 5th place 2:10:39
Doha DNF.
If next time he won't run sub2:05 or be on podium in a Major marathon, I will change my mind. But now he's definitely not in his 2018 shape.
Fair point, I was overlooking his DNF in Xiamen on the 5th. It’s hard to say if he or Dejene Debela (defending Xiamen champ, 2nd in Chicago ‘19) were focused on that race at all or if they were just taking good appearance fees as “big name” former participants.
I don’t particularly disagree with you, but I don’t care to anoint anybody to the bottom of the list right now. Hopefully someone will grab themselves a ranking at Houston or Dubai.
Let me know if you guys see a press release for the Tokyo elite fields—should be in the next couple weeks I’d think.
Tokyo was announced Jan 23 last year.
And Boston was announced Jan 10 last year. Bit later this time, might be giving London some news space this week. -
Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Women:
1. Brigid Kosgei
2. Ruth Chepng’etich
3. Worknesh Degefa
4. Vivian Cheruiyot
5. Ashete Bekere
6. Roza Dereje
7. Mary Keitany
8. Ruti Aga
9. Gladys Cherono
10. Rose Chelimo
Honorable mention: Mare Dibaba, Gelete Burka, Lonah Salpeter, Abanel Yeshaneh, Helalia Johannes
Agree on the top 9 pretty much the same order, then:
Jemeli
Salpeter
R.chelimo
Johannes
Mare dibaba
Yeshaneh
T.girma
A.gebru
Azimeraw
Burka
E.kiplagat
These 20 cover the top 17 quickest all year plus 2,3, and 4 from the w. Champs
I still think y.melese and a.abreha might return to shanghai this Sunday and crash this 20 with a sub 2.21. Also been waiting for birhane since c/Hagen
I kept the 20 in order for my year end thread but wrote a re-do at halfway just after the top 9 in Valencia were the fastest 9 ever in one marathon. I concluded then that the top four from Valencia changed things. If I knew previous to that day just how fast those four would run I would have put Azmera Abreha in at ten, Jemeli just outside the ten, birhane into the 20 with one dropping out. The one to drop out would have to be Azmera Gebru because she had gone head to head with both Burka in Paris and Girma in Amsterdam and finished next after both. I still wanted to include the fastest debutant and the fourth at worlds. In my opinion, each of those two performances outweigh the combined two quick times from Gebru, but I concede she is unlucky.
Then just outside the 20 would come fifth, sixth, and seventh in Valencia because sub 2.21 was the marker I wanted to use as a cut-off.
Another just outside the 20: Helen Bekele Tola, two good major results in the year.
So Gebru 21 on my list at years end, then Workenesh Edesa (it’s an anomaly that officially her ranking is only 37), Zeineba Yimer, Helen Bekele Tola, and Purity Rioniripo rounds out the 25. A quick run around the next 8 days sees Amane Beriso an outside chance of a sub 2.21 in Mumbai, no action in Houston, Alemu Megertu a real chance of 2.19.xx chasing Degefa next Friday and either Dera Dida, Hawi Feysa, or Bedatu Hirpa joining the 2.20 club on their coattails; then a top four in Osaka who could all dip under 2.21. -
Aussiestatman wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Alll wrote:
I don't know if Kitata should be in top 10. His last three marathons:
Xiamen DNF
NY 5th place 2:10:39
Doha DNF.
If next time he won't run sub2:05 or be on podium in a Major marathon, I will change my mind. But now he's definitely not in his 2018 shape.
Fair point, I was overlooking his DNF in Xiamen on the 5th. It’s hard to say if he or Dejene Debela (defending Xiamen champ, 2nd in Chicago ‘19) were focused on that race at all or if they were just taking good appearance fees as “big name” former participants.
I don’t particularly disagree with you, but I don’t care to anoint anybody to the bottom of the list right now. Hopefully someone will grab themselves a ranking at Houston or Dubai.
Let me know if you guys see a press release for the Tokyo elite fields—should be in the next couple weeks I’d think.
Tokyo was announced Jan 23 last year.
Hoping next day or two to see this and start a thread. Any guesses of top two men or women? -
Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Alll wrote:
I don't know if Kitata should be in top 10. His last three marathons:
Xiamen DNF
NY 5th place 2:10:39
Doha DNF.
If next time he won't run sub2:05 or be on podium in a Major marathon, I will change my mind. But now he's definitely not in his 2018 shape.
Fair point, I was overlooking his DNF in Xiamen on the 5th. It’s hard to say if he or Dejene Debela (defending Xiamen champ, 2nd in Chicago ‘19) were focused on that race at all or if they were just taking good appearance fees as “big name” former participants.
I don’t particularly disagree with you, but I don’t care to anoint anybody to the bottom of the list right now. Hopefully someone will grab themselves a ranking at Houston or Dubai.
Let me know if you guys see a press release for the Tokyo elite fields—should be in the next couple weeks I’d think.
Tokyo was announced Jan 23 last year.
Hoping next day or two to see this and start a thread. Any guesses of top two men or women?
So excited! Wheelchair elites out just now. Able bodied must be tomorrow. -
Aussiestatman wrote:
Aussiestatman wrote:
John Wesley Harding wrote:
Alll wrote:
I don't know if Kitata should be in top 10. His last three marathons:
Xiamen DNF
NY 5th place 2:10:39
Doha DNF.
If next time he won't run sub2:05 or be on podium in a Major marathon, I will change my mind. But now he's definitely not in his 2018 shape.
Fair point, I was overlooking his DNF in Xiamen on the 5th. It’s hard to say if he or Dejene Debela (defending Xiamen champ, 2nd in Chicago ‘19) were focused on that race at all or if they were just taking good appearance fees as “big name” former participants.
I don’t particularly disagree with you, but I don’t care to anoint anybody to the bottom of the list right now. Hopefully someone will grab themselves a ranking at Houston or Dubai.
Let me know if you guys see a press release for the Tokyo elite fields—should be in the next couple weeks I’d think.
Tokyo was announced Jan 23 last year.
Hoping next day or two to see this and start a thread. Any guesses of top two men or women?
Ababel Yeshaneh was sixth last year then the big breakthrough in Chicago. Will she be back? Needs to update her Wikipedia page, too. -
Do you think that Legese will be back in Tokio?
