Paula Radcliffe Angered by New Boston Marathon Transgender Policy

Having a gender distinction to give out prize money is sexist - there is no debate about the matter.

I debate the matter.

It isn't an equal footing.

In the college running scene, trans-female runners are winning conference championships and will go on to NCAA championships. These same trans-female runners (who have not undergone any of the physical transition therapies) will take slots in the championships, and scholarships from naturally born female athletes. It's only a couple now, but what happens when the NCAA 60m, 100m, or 200m final is dominated by trans-female runners. Or when female records get smashed? The Connecticut state championships for high school had that happen this past winter when two trans-females came in and destroyed many of the records.

Do we choose to celebrate the athletes for being so brave to be and dress as themselves, or do we mandate that female runners be either naturally born female, or have undergone the physical changes?

It took females years to get laws like Title IX adopted - and now men are going to come in and take those spots too.

Why you guys froth at mouth with anger that you might lose you precious spot at Boston? Run faster.

More important issue is intersex at real competitive levels.

I have not read a single good argument to keep this male/female divide. Instead of sexist feminists and sexist men fighting for the discrimination of the others on every step and kicking trans on the way we could just value each individual human equally. without discrimination or sexism. One category for any job. One category for any sport. One category for education. No quotas or discrimination. Equal opportunity

Itssoeasy wrote:

I have not read a single good argument to keep this male/female divide. Instead of sexist feminists and sexist men fighting for the discrimination of the others on every step and kicking trans on the way we could just value each individual human equally. without discrimination or sexism. One category for any job. One category for any sport. One category for education. No quotas or discrimination. Equal opportunity

You haven't read the arguments. Men and women are not physiologically equal. So there isn't equal opportunity if women compete against men in sports. It has nothing to do with issues such as equality in the workforce, or equality before the law.

Itssoeasy wrote:

I have not read a single good argument to keep this male/female divide. Instead of sexist feminists and sexist men fighting for the discrimination of the others on every step and kicking trans on the way we could just value each individual human equally. without discrimination or sexism. One category for any job. One category for any sport. One category for education. No quotas or discrimination. Equal opportunity

Your proposal makes sense to you and about 1% of the population.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Itssoeasy wrote:

I have not read a single good argument to keep this male/female divide. Instead of sexist feminists and sexist men fighting for the discrimination of the others on every step and kicking trans on the way we could just value each individual human equally. without discrimination or sexism. One category for any job. One category for any sport. One category for education. No quotas or discrimination. Equal opportunity

You haven't read the arguments. Men and women are not physiologically equal. So there isn't equal opportunity if women compete against men in sports. It has nothing to do with issues such as equality in the workforce, or equality before the law.

yes. not all humans are physiological equal. some humans are more intelligent than others. some have more talent for running, some have more talent for maths and some just have a lot more money so they have the easy life from birth. I am not denying that. As such I was probably born more intelligent than you so you will never have real equality of opportunity just by bad luck. But its still the best solution.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Mikeh33 wrote:

As a basic human right we should be entitled to identify however we choose.

Ok, but why should everyone else be forced to go along, to reinforce what is clearly a fantasy, to the detriment of others.

They can identify how they choose. But their saying they are female doesn't by itself make them that. If they have a male physiology the medical profession will treat them accordingly, and not pretend they have a uterus and not a prostrate.

How you choose to see yourself does not require that others must see you that way. That is because you have made a choice, and others are similarly free to choose to see things differently. Your biology, on the other hand, is not a choice.

I agree.

Armstronglivs wrote:

Itssoeasy wrote:

I have not read a single good argument to keep this male/female divide. Instead of sexist feminists and sexist men fighting for the discrimination of the others on every step and kicking trans on the way we could just value each individual human equally. without discrimination or sexism. One category for any job. One category for any sport. One category for education. No quotas or discrimination. Equal opportunity

You haven't read the arguments. Men and women are not physiologically equal. So there isn't equal opportunity if women compete against men in sports. It has nothing to do with issues such as equality in the workforce, or equality before the law.

I agree. It is the equivalent of me, a fully grown man, boxing a nine-year-old. Sure, I could do it, but it would be cruel and stupid. No one would work actually want to watch it. And, responsible authorities would put a stop to it.

Good point. I'm also against ageism and look forward to seeing my 5 year old mix it up with the teenagers on the diamond this summer.

Itssoeasy wrote:

I have not read a single good argument to keep this male/female divide. Instead of sexist feminists and sexist men fighting for the discrimination of the others on every step and kicking trans on the way we could just value each individual human equally. without discrimination or sexism. One category for any job. One category for any sport. One category for education. No quotas or discrimination. Equal opportunity

Good point. I'm also against ageism and look forward to seeing my 5 year old mix it up with the teenagers on the diamond this summer.

hey, i never wore a dress before, but for $150k, boston woman's price i'll take on those bitches.

for today, i feel the inner woman in me needing to get out.

this strong urge to put on some lip stick and wear a bra.

call me a whore.

you can call me a whore, now i'm a woman.

i'm that kind of woman.

i'm counting that $150k right now.

you can't ban whores from running pal.

god bless america.

Do it and please wear a Lets Troon singlet.

Itssoeasy wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You haven't read the arguments. Men and women are not physiologically equal. So there isn't equal opportunity if women compete against men in sports. It has nothing to do with issues such as equality in the workforce, or equality before the law.

yes. not all humans are physiological equal. some humans are more intelligent than others. some have more talent for running, some have more talent for maths and some just have a lot more money so they have the easy life from birth. I am not denying that. As such I was probably born more intelligent than you so you will never have real equality of opportunity just by bad luck. But its still the best solution.

So, after arguing for equal opportunity you have just conceded that we are unequal in so many ways. The contradiction apparently escapes you.

Can you ask that in 2019? BAA says no. So that is it. If you don’t like it...run faster. ?

Tasmania has passed a measure giving new parents the option of not listing gender on birth certificates, sparking backlash from both the island's premier and those who believe such a move hurts both women and free speech.

The new rule also permits trans people to change the gender on all identity documents without having sex reassignment surgery or counseling, and allows 16 year olds to change their gender without parental approval. It also bans “hate speech and offensive language” against people on the basis of their gender identity. These provisions were attached as amendments onto a bill that originally just ended the legal mandate forcing individuals undergoing gender transition to divorce their partners.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/tasmania-makes-gender-optional-on-birth-certificates/news-story/c2093c1d14c35179e7af3d54658919b2

https://www.themercury.com.au/news/politics/transforming-tasmania-activist-martine-delaney-celebrates-as-gender-law-reforms-pass-tasmanian-parliament/news-story/3f27fac1f1c07ebe1ac8ca1aed7c2523

If we are going to treat people equally regardless of biology, are we also going to start giving women prostate exams? Should men have routine smear tests? Perhaps, when a child is being born by c-section, we should cut the father open too because, y'know, equality