Paula Radcliffe Angered by New Boston Marathon Transgender Policy

sbeefyk2 wrote:

Here's an easy example. I can show up to any random marathon with 10,000 runners. Register as a female. Because I'll jog 3:30 nobody will notice me. I won't even need to dress as a female. Just run as a normal male. Then submit my time for Boston and boom I'm in.

Wouldn't you need to have an ID identifying you as a woman to run in Boston? And why would you want to that, anyway?

Ricardo Ruderatne wrote:

But she is right. 100% right.

So what happens if a 2.12-13 marathon runner (who we have to ascertain is biologically a male for obvious reasons), simply decides one day to identify as female? No sex change, nothing - just decides that they have had enough of being an end-of-pack elite male runner and wants to become the female WR holder, Olympic Champion, win any major they want in a cake-walk and make a f$$$ing fortune doing so?

I see that you didn't read the article at all. This is NOT ABOUT Worlds, and NOT ABOUT Olympics, and NOT EVEN ABOUT Boston podium. This is only about hobby jogger slots.

Intersex athletes are already a problem at the world level. Trans athletes obviously bring the same problem, only worse.

But it's at the world level, and the podium level, that we should care.

Down at the hobby jogger level we can afford to be inclusive and let them have the unfair advantages, because, who cares at that level.

No transgender is ever going to win a major marathon. If some guy is willing to grow a permanent rack and become impotent they will still have a decrease in performance of up to 10%. It would take a 2:10 guy to be good enough to when as a transgender woman. Who the F would want to do that?

No transgender is ever going to win a major marathon.

Exactly by the current rules, and that's EXACTLY the problem.

Only when there is true trans-justice can we have transgenders winning in women's events like they ought to be, if they are the superiorist athlete.

But the IAAF etc. demand "testosterone testing", drug inhibitors, etc., as if transwomen aren't women somehow? Even though they are LEGALLY women!

And Dr. Rachel McKinnon (Charleston) has conclusively shown that there is NO inherent advantage of having different chromosomes. Which was rejected anyways by the IOC as a method of sex determination.

This has not been addressed yet by transphobes.

Fair Play for ALL women wrote:

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But the IAAF etc. demand "testosterone testing", drug inhibitors, etc., as if transwomen aren't women somehow? Even though they are LEGALLY women!

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This has not been addressed yet by transphobes.

The main issue at debate is about physical abilities and fairness in relation to biology, so trying to appeal to legal authority is not very persuasive, or apparently relevant.

Also, I suggest that throwing in an ad hominem attack, as you do at the end, tends to diminish the value of your entire post, as unfortunately the sophomoric aspect of the closing degrades the entire post.

Why should sports organization sit above the law, with their conceptions of what being a female or women means?

In 2019, we by now have procedures for people (e.g) assigned the wrong sex/gender at birth to go ahead and correct this anomaly and error even on (legal) birth certificates. Not to mention the vibrant possibilities of alternative non-binaries, etc.

But back to the original subject, if sports are declaring themselves to have women's events, shouldn't Title IX or something force them to accept all those who are legally women? You don't have to be a lawyer to answer this tautology, unless of course you're transphobic of course.

"Angered" is a codeword. Like "just worried" ...

https://twitter.com/cambrian_era/status/1115310148002516992

SummerRed wrote:

It would be brave of Rojo and Wejo to actually discuss this issue publicly with trans people who want to talk about this topic intellectually.

Don’t hold your breath for that mature approach. Gratuitously stoking reactionary anti-trans bigotry in their brain-dead followers gets the LetsRun crew horny every time.

Cool guys, very impressive.

This is what’s cool about a small mom and pop brand like this. You can watch them degenerate before your very eyes.

You mean like this?

rojo wrote:

SummerRed wrote:

It would be brave of Rojo and Wejo to actually discuss this issue publicly with trans people who want to talk about this topic intellectually.

Don’t hold your breath for that mature approach. Gratuitously stoking reactionary anti-trans bigotry in their brain-dead followers gets the LetsRun crew horny every time.

Cool guys, very impressive.

This is what’s cool about a small mom and pop brand like this. You can watch them degenerate before your very eyes.

You mean like this?

https://www.letsrun.com/news/2014/09/brief-history-intersex-athletes-sport/

Totally different issue; these people are not transgenders.

jonnykaa wrote:

This isn't a liberal/ conservative issue, but nice try, comrade. I'm in favor of a social safety net, accessible healthcare for all, and a few other 'liberal' policies, but I'm with you on this one. 'Libs' aren't some homogeneous bloc, you should get out of that basement and meet a few.

I miss the good ol' days when people made their minds up on individual issues, instead of shouting down the other tribe. Pre Limbaugh, and Falwell et al.

Thanks, jonnykaa, I was going to say the same thing. When somebody goes off on a "liberal" rant ala Rush Limbaugh I always wonder who the hell they're talking about.

A little delayed ‘roid rage from Paula??

Compelled by the very meaning of words wrote:

Why should sports organization sit above the law, with their conceptions of what being a female or women means?

In 2019, we by now have procedures for people (e.g) assigned the wrong sex/gender at birth to go ahead and correct this anomaly and error even on (legal) birth certificates. Not to mention the vibrant possibilities of alternative non-binaries, etc.

But back to the original subject, if sports are declaring themselves to have women's events, shouldn't Title IX or something force them to accept all those who are legally women? You don't have to be a lawyer to answer this tautology, unless of course you're transphobic of course.

+1. The fight has not been easy to accrue basic human rights, but we've moved literal mountains in the last few years of recognition. It didn't seem that way was possible, back in the late 90s. So why should we backpedal and cave to these sports orgs, none of whom I might add have professionals with gender/sexuality credentials in places of executive power. Just because they have lots of money and lawyers? Winning was never easy, it won't be this time either.

the main reason that u can tell that trans will win out over cis, is that there is no "positive" approach for them, they are just haters and transphobes.... really, can u imagine a so-called "cis-pride" event, would this even be a thing? of course not, it would display them for what they are.... once they opt simply to "exclude", the approach is over, unable to generate enthuses and likes.... it's only a matter of time until their entire house of cards collapsed in one fell blow.... they can't take any awareness of what they are perhaps for now, but the next generation (or even sooner) will not be so charmed.... time is on our side, as is right of justice....

I agree with Paula but people already bypass the qualifier with the charity thing.

On my list of biggest problems in the sport there's bigger fish to be fried.

If the "trans" crusaders win this debate that will spell the loss of any wider interest in women's sport. Empty stadiums will be their reward. A Pyrrhic victory.

Compelled by the very meaning of words wrote:

Why should sports organization sit above the law, with their conceptions of what being a female or women means?

In 2019, we by now have procedures for people (e.g) assigned the wrong sex/gender at birth to go ahead and correct this anomaly and error even on (legal) birth certificates. Not to mention the vibrant possibilities of alternative non-binaries, etc.

But back to the original subject, if sports are declaring themselves to have women's events, shouldn't Title IX or something force them to accept all those who are legally women? You don't have to be a lawyer to answer this tautology, unless of course you're transphobic of course.

It is conspicuous that your arguments rest on the claim that trans people are "legally" women, but not that they are "biologically" women. You wouldn't need to argue the former if the latter was true.

Anything can be argued legally, but that doesn't mean that it is true. A corporation is legally a person. But we know it is not a person. And nor are trans people women.

Ok so I'm seriously very curious .....if I go to Boston as a male but register/indentify as a female and run sub 2:30... do i get a medal? Prize money? Late night tv stardom? where do they put me in the results? Also next year can I race as a male again? What coral? Elite start as a female?

It really is sad how many supposed "allys" (eg liberals) have failed to stand up against the transphobic hate that has spread in last few years. They could get everyone to toe the line on climate change or even Hillary Rodham Clinton (2016), but after pro-LBG legislation passed in Obergefell they are trying to rid the T? With friends like that, you can't trust any bedfellows in politics it proves.

Isn’t Radcliffe a drug cheat ..? Fvkc her opinions