Kipchoge - Doping, cheating, or a natural?

Subway Surfers wrote:

Yes it is either a transfusion or ESA. Kiprop is listed solely under epo. It would be interesting to know if transfusions are far more common from local hospitals than we realize. Xenon gas?

Remember this? I think his case has been buried, but if it ever does come to court, Kenyan athletics is probably finished.

Hmm, court date scheduled for July 2018.

The BBC posted Rotich's side of the story in 2016:

Maybe there was a delay? Or not enough evidence for a conviction?

I must say though that this doesn't make a lot of sense, as we know from Reid C. (early 2016) as well as Kiprop's case (late 2017) that the testers would warn the athletes anyway, "Kenyan style", lolz.

casual obsever wrote:

Maybe there was a delay? Or not enough evidence for a conviction?

More likely that enough 'tea money' was paid to the prosecution/judge.

tarckstar wrote:

Dennis Kimmetto is the world record holder. The 4% shoes are exactly like the wetsuits used briefly by fast swimmers, then outlawed.

It's a tricky argument with running shoes. Kimetto was wearing Adidas boost shoes and Adidas made claims that the boost TPU midsole literally stored more energy upon impact to literally fire it back up into your feet each stride. They "proved" this by dropping ball bearings onto a sample of boost midsole material compared with other running shoe midsole materials and the ball bearings were literally firing off the boost material compared with the others. How can Adidas' boost midsole not be performance enhancing as well in the light of this data. Maybe records should be official only for barefooted competitors but the sportswear industry would not be happy about this and probably would stop putting money into the sport.

Is this ANOTHER THREAD created by the anti-VF guy!? He’s a prick Moran.

The VF are available to all athletes, they have a plate like spikes have a plate. You are a prick and need all of your teeth knocking out you gummed up little prick. Hobby jogging little psycho prick.

What a massive prick face bell end wrote:

The VF are available to all athletes...

- Phil Knight

Mizuno fanboy wrote:

I don't think he's doping, and other runners wear Vaporflies too.

But I don't like seeing him instruct the pacers so he can draft from them. Pacing is unsportsmanlike and provides an unfair advantage. A champion like him shouldn't need aids. Pacing should be banned.

Other than that, he's legit IMO.

Absolutely agree, he is legit but relies on pacers a little too much for my liking. As do the top female runners. Not cool.

yes

Coevett wrote:

Subway Surfers wrote:

Yes it is either a transfusion or ESA. Kiprop is listed solely under epo. It would be interesting to know if transfusions are far more common from local hospitals than we realize. Xenon gas?

Remember this? I think his case has been buried, but if it ever does come to court, Kenyan athletics is probably finished.

https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1065686/controversial-kenyan-athletics-coach-rotich-charged-with-alleged-involvement-in-doping-conspiracy

"It also made allegations that Rotich had demanded £10,000 ($13,000/€11,000) for agreeing to warn a British coach about imminent doping tests."

***THIS is why it went away. I'll let you guess who that might be referring to.

What a massive prick face bell end wrote:

the anti-VF guy

we are legion

Banner. wrote:

Mizuno fanboy wrote:

I don't think he's doping, and other runners wear Vaporflies too.

But I don't like seeing him instruct the pacers so he can draft from them. Pacing is unsportsmanlike and provides an unfair advantage. A champion like him shouldn't need aids. Pacing should be banned.

Other than that, he's legit IMO.

Absolutely agree, he is legit but relies on pacers a little too much for my liking. As do the top female runners. Not cool.

You mean like the last 17k alone in Berlin?

In case anyone has missed it, a Kenyan 5000m runner, who shares Kipchoge's coach Patrick Sang, was suspended for doping this week. Can't say that this proves that Kipchoge is also doping, but in a world that took doping seriously, the coaches of athletes caught doping would also be suspended. Can't believe that an elite coach would fail to spot that an athlete was doping. Also doubt that most of these Kenyan runners could dope independently of their coaches.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9334007

Races very seldom - enabling sustained training periods before cleaning out his body prior to a most likely big race with testing.

Trains in Kenya - easy access to PED’s with zero to very unlikely scrutiny.

Answer: yes

So...

peaks at age 18 as a 5000m runner. After beating super dooper doped up El G and Bekele as a kid, he runs 12:42 the next season and after that (and the introduction of EPO testing) slowly declines until around 2009. Just when he should be reaching his peak, and just when the ABP is introduced, he starts a very marked decline and eventually decides to move up from 5K to the Marathon, where he races only twice a year and subjected to non-tea money testing for maybe a couple of weeks each year.

Sets WR in his late 30s and appears to be still improving.

Coached by Patrick Sang, whose athlete Cyrus Rutto (and whose inspiration was Kipchoge) was busted for ped use this week.

I'm going for Kipchoge being juiced to the gills for the last twenty years.

Coevett wrote:

In case anyone has missed it, a Kenyan 5000m runner, who shares Kipchoge's coach Patrick Sang, was suspended for doping this week. Can't say that this proves that Kipchoge is also doping, but in a world that took doping seriously, the coaches of athletes caught doping would also be suspended. Can't believe that an elite coach would fail to spot that an athlete was doping. Also doubt that most of these Kenyan runners could dope independently of their coaches.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9334007

Why don't you address "The queen's English" post, Mr. Know it All?

Coevett wrote:

In case anyone has missed it, a Kenyan 5000m runner, who shares Kipchoge's coach Patrick Sang, was suspended for doping this week. Can't say that this proves that Kipchoge is also doping, but in a world that took doping seriously, the coaches of athletes caught doping would also be suspended. Can't believe that an elite coach would fail to spot that an athlete was doping. Also doubt that most of these Kenyan runners could dope independently of their coaches.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9334007

Wow! But is he really coached by Sang? If he is, that just proves epo is available in the remote place known as Kaptagat.

yetjytej wrote:

Coevett wrote:

In case anyone has missed it, a Kenyan 5000m runner, who shares Kipchoge's coach Patrick Sang, was suspended for doping this week. Can't say that this proves that Kipchoge is also doping, but in a world that took doping seriously, the coaches of athletes caught doping would also be suspended. Can't believe that an elite coach would fail to spot that an athlete was doping. Also doubt that most of these Kenyan runners could dope independently of their coaches.

https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9334007

Why don't you address "The queen's English" post, Mr. Know it All?

Coevett believes Farah to be doping as well. I believe he's stated as such. Are you sure Cyrus "Billy Ray" Rutto is in the Kaptagat group?

Doping Detector wrote:

So...

peaks at age 18 as a 5000m runner. After beating super dooper doped up El G and Bekele as a kid, he runs 12:42 the next season and after that (and the introduction of EPO testing) slowly declines until around 2009. Just when he should be reaching his peak, and just when the ABP is introduced, he starts a very marked decline and eventually decides to move up from 5K to the Marathon, where he races only twice a year and subjected to non-tea money testing for maybe a couple of weeks each year.

Sets WR in his late 30s and appears to be still improving.

Coached by Patrick Sang, whose athlete Cyrus Rutto (and whose inspiration was Kipchoge) was busted for ped use this week.

I'm going for Kipchoge being juiced to the gills for the last twenty years.

EK has gone quiet. He usually is all over this kind of announcement as another western plot against Kenyan athletes. I wonder if EK is an agent or coach of athletes that have been busted?

Subway Surfers wrote:

Wow! But is he really coached by Sang? If he is, that just proves epo is available in the remote place known as Kaptagat.

There are a couple of sources for that in the Rutto thread.

Looks like Sang has indeed joined the growing list of drug cheat coaches. More to follow, I am sure.