bedford wrote:
in 2008 he ran 24.95 WR for M60-65...he didn't lose so much in 10 years
Is that normal for aging sprinters to lose less speed from 60 to 70 than from say 40 to 50 or 55?
bedford wrote:
in 2008 he ran 24.95 WR for M60-65...he didn't lose so much in 10 years
Is that normal for aging sprinters to lose less speed from 60 to 70 than from say 40 to 50 or 55?
What's The Deal? wrote:
bedford wrote:
in 2008 he ran 24.95 WR for M60-65...he didn't lose so much in 10 years
Is that normal for aging sprinters to lose less speed from 60 to 70 than from say 40 to 50 or 55?
No it isn't normal. But neither is Charlie. His M60 record is equivalent to a 26.82 at 70.
Dragging anchor wrote:
Caster needs to teach this dude how to put the hand brake on.
THIS is the post I meant as POD.
YMMV wrote:
What's The Deal? wrote:
Is that normal for aging sprinters to lose less speed from 60 to 70 than from say 40 to 50 or 55?
No it isn't normal. But neither is Charlie. His M60 record is equivalent to a 26.82 at 70.
What would that 26.82 be age-graded to his prime? Faster than Bolt's WR?
Give it a few years and Matt London will shatter this record. He'll run 47 seconds flat for the 200m, but he'll do it at 6'0" and 300lbs while suffering from a broken toenail, so it will be just like he ran 26.00 for the WR.
rojo wrote:
Dude is incredible. A new 70+ WR. Look how much he destroyed everyone by.
https://twitter.com/AthleticsWeekly/status/1111713599364452353
Well, Rojo, the man obviously takes care of himself. Look at the others in that race, all of them are overweight and broken-down. Allie is slim and trim. It isn’t a big deal for someone who probably ran 22.x or 21.x when young to be able to run 26.x at 70 years old if they have kept themselves up. You may as well call out Payton Jordan who ran 26.8 at 70 years old and was also slim and trim (he looks amazingly similar to Allie:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payton_Jordan#/media/File:Paytonjordan.jpg). Jordan is 80 years old in that photo.
Payton Jordan could have been a doper, many of his athletes at Stanford were including 10.1 100m man Charlie Francis who admits as much in his autobiographical book “Speed Trap”.
To the person who suggested A-Duck’s “speed peptide” - you don’t need a “speed peptide” to run 26 seconds. LOL. If Allie is on something my guess would be something to burn off fat like DHEA which is rightfully banned. I hear DHEA is popular amongst older athletes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masters_M70_200_metres_world_record_progressionInquiring minds want to know wrote:
fisky wrote:
I've finished second to Charlie... what? three times maybe... He has an amazingly fast cadence, 240 steps/minute in the 400m, probably faster in the 200m.
So...how's he doing it fisky? Incredible anti-aging genetics to be able to do that type of cadence at his age? Special nutritional program? What say you? ?
I don't know his nutrition routine, but everyone at this level takes nutrition seriously. I first saw Charles race in 2005. He destroyed the rest of the field and set a world record so this performance isn't anything new. I do know that he races all year around.
As far as muscularity is concerned, I'm more muscular, or at least I was last February when we (along with Noah Perlis and Roger Pierce) set the M70 World Record in the Indoor 4x400m. Charlie appears to have slimmed up a bit, which probably helped give him that extra half second in the 200m over last year.
give it a few years wrote:
Give it a few years and Matt London will shatter this record. He'll run 47 seconds flat for the 200m, but he'll do it at 6'0" and 300lbs while suffering from a broken toenail, so it will be just like he ran 26.00 for the WR.
If Matt grows a grey beard like Charles then he can run 55 seconds for the 200m and his performance will still be superior simply for (insane hottness + speed + weight/age/injuries) = sprint GOAT.
MattFan wrote:
give it a few years wrote:
Give it a few years and Matt London will shatter this record. He'll run 47 seconds flat for the 200m, but he'll do it at 6'0" and 300lbs while suffering from a broken toenail, so it will be just like he ran 26.00 for the WR.
If Matt grows a grey beard like Charles then he can run 55 seconds for the 200m and his performance will still be superior simply for (insane hottness + speed + weight/age/injuries) = sprint GOAT.
You forgot to mention the beard is extra weight which will make his accomplishment even greater.
Anyone wanting a good laugh should look at Nick Symmonds’ new video where he shows his 20m fly time of 1.85 and declares he is capable of running 9.35 and beating Bolt’s 100m WR. Symmonds has the text “9.35 WR” flashing in the background as he announces this. Teenage distance runners will believe anything.
Rojo, I know you wanted to bait your readers into a controversial discussion, but you know full well that drug testing is rigorously enforced at the WMA meets. I was talking to the German guy who won the M50 3000, and he was intercepted by the doping authorities and asked to provide samples. I'm 100% sure that Charlie was tested this time, as well as nearly every time he has run an incredible time in a USATF or WMA meet.
Scott
if charles is on something. let me know
we all need to get some.
Armstronglivs wrote:
not that fast wrote:
Big deal. I'm half that age, and I can run faster than that.
Come back to us in 35 years, champ.
It doesn't matter when its done. Its still only 26 seconds
cruntchier wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
Come back to us in 35 years, champ.
It doesn't matter when its done. Its still only 26 seconds
It's a world record. Let us know when you run one.
Why are you so dumb? wrote:
To the person who suggested A-Duck’s “speed peptide” - you don’t need a “speed peptide” to run 26 seconds. LOL. If Allie is on something my guess would be something to burn off fat like DHEA which is rightfully banned. I hear DHEA is popular amongst older athletes.
DHEA has been extensively researched - it's marketed in the U.S. as anti-aging & longevity dietary supplement sold OTC.
The research doesn't show any fat burning qualities. Some studies show DHEA raises free testosterone with older people but it's touted as a weak androgen. One study showed some improved recovery post endurance training with older subjects vs a younger control group.
Isn't DHEA added to a lot of these natural testosterone booster supplements marketed to the middle-agers on all these late night ad nauseam commercials?
https://examine.com/supplements/dehydroepiandrosterone/Charles "Buddy"Allie has been running fast for years and years. He is legit! He now is the World Masters Athlete for the 2nd time!
I can't quite run a 26.11 fat but I'm a lot younger than him so I have plenty of time to improve.
Once you can run fast, there's no reason why that should change much unless you allow your tendons and joints to deteriorate. Most of it is skill contained in the nervous system and fails in the same way an elderly person might get worse at chess.
What's The Deal? wrote:
bedford wrote:
in 2008 he ran 24.95 WR for M60-65...he didn't lose so much in 10 years
Is that normal for aging sprinters to lose less speed from 60 to 70 than from say 40 to 50 or 55?
He was at 23.14 - age 45
If he runs 25.74 outdoors this year (he did run 25.75 last year) it would be about 11.23% over 26 years; a 10th of a sec. per year. That is simply incredible. Maybe as we age we can keep our speed better than our endurance. I believe our oxygen capacity goes first, just keep your power and strength through weight training and power exercises post age 50.
The difference between a 4:10 mile compared to that % = 4:38.08 mile. Whitmean 4:10 - age 45 WR.
Or a 5,000 at age 45 14:11 = 15:46 at age 71.
Bad Wigins wrote:
I can't quite run a 26.11 fat but I'm a lot younger than him so I have plenty of time to improve.
Once you can run fast, there's no reason why that should change much unless you allow your tendons and joints to deteriorate. Most of it is skill contained in the nervous system and fails in the same way an elderly person might get worse at chess.
Sorry, wrong again.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/sports/sports-fitness-recreation-and-leisure-magazines/aging-and-athletic-performanceIf 70 is the new 50 for couch potatoes, we'll see a continued performance improvement in senior athletes.
Performance of older runners will continue to improve dramatically as medical advances allow seniors to continue running after injuries that would have ended their running careers a couple of decades ago.
There have always been a few outliers who have superior genetics for running and aging who have dodged the bullet of career-ending injuries to stay fast into their 70s... Ed Whitlock, Earl Fee, Bob Lida, and Allie, just to name a few. There will be more in the future. For example, Iife expectancy of a Kenyan man is only 64 today. As nutrition and economic status continue to improve, a few of the B-level Kenyans will probably be destroying Masters world records in 20-30 years.
fisky wrote:
If 70 is the new 50 for couch potatoes, we'll see a continued performance improvement in senior athletes.
Performance of older runners will continue to improve dramatically as medical advances allow seniors to continue running after injuries that would have ended their running careers a couple of decades ago.
There have always been a few outliers who have superior genetics for running and aging who have dodged the bullet of career-ending injuries to stay fast into their 70s... Ed Whitlock, Earl Fee, Bob Lida, and Allie, just to name a few. There will be more in the future. For example, Iife expectancy of a Kenyan man is only 64 today. As nutrition and economic status continue to improve, a few of the B-level Kenyans will probably be destroying Masters world records in 20-30 years.
I'm curious about exactly which athletes have been able to compete at the top level overcoming serious injuries with the help of modern medical intervention (aside from TRT or EPO)? Most of the top older guys just plain seem to avoid these problems in the first place, or heal up naturally. Ed W had to switch from the track to roads because of achilles' problems (similar to Geb). He rarely went to doctors for anything as they didn't provide much help. He just would back off and heal up on his own.