why bother wrote:
i honestly don't think it's the same hat.
there is no doubt that the shoes and socks are a match though. it's definitely Frank.
I thought the same thing the first time I looked at the hat. But I think it looks different because he's wearing his sunglasses up on top of the hat, so it makes the hat look different.
What we need now wrote:
Frank has posted several videos in the past so he’s no stranger to social media. Frank, how about creating a rebuttal video? Tell us how and why everyone is mistaken. Your team has said there is proof that your times are accurate, so a video allows you to state your case on your own terms. Address all the issues and dispute the evidence presented. Not just ‘I run for fun, and pee a lot’. Not just the 2019 LA Marathon, but explain away the evidence presented my all the various Marathon Investigation articles, videos and pictures. The information presented so far paints a very bad picture, now is the time to correct it with your version of how you truly can run a sub-3 hour. No, ‘I’ll run in the future’ baloney, just address all the anomalies that have already been presented. Your team has confidently started your times are true, it should be very easy for you to walk us through how you ran each of your sub 3 marathons over the past 10 years.
Frank's team, to my knowledge, has not said "there is proof his times are accurate."
Frank's team, on Inside Edition, said...
In due time he will set the record straight and address all of the allegations. Now it's just not the right time." - Statement from Meza's Team
That's a pretty ambiguous statement. "Set the record straight" could mean coming clean and admitting guilt. "and address all of the allegations" could mean anything.
Basically, Frank's team has said, he's going to address these issues... eventually.
I heard that same thing about 4 hours ago but assumed it was fake news.
Frank took his life today. Take a step back and put the scandal aside. The internet is a nasty place. Yes, he may have cheated but that does not discount the tremendous work he did for so many. He helped countless individuals achieve their dreams in running and in life. This thread is the lowest humanity will go. Please, take a moment for Frank and all the people struggling with this loss.
the trolls are out in force.
Say it aint so. Please! https://thecount.com/2019/07/04/dr-frank-meza-cause-of-death/
My heart goes out to Frank's family and friends. Sorry for your loss
The cause of death is not suspected to be from drowning, officials said.
was he murdered and dumped in the river?
SO, SO sad. Really horrible outcome to all this. The worst possible. And one I suppose in hindsight we should have seen coming.
I see no reports of Meza’s passing.
Source?
But this thread is “the lowest humanity can go”? Really? REALLY?!
What’s the inference?
Turn a blind eye to cheats and liars for fear their feelings might get hurt in being exposed ?
Cheat or not, that's absolutely horrific. Don't know what to say, unbelievable. Condolences to family, friends and colleagues.
Wow.
If the rumor is true, that was another idiotic decision on his part. No one drove him to suicide.
Go back and read the thread. People debate the pros and cons. They weigh evidence. People push back on the evidence for pages and pages until finally the evidence becomes overwhelming and self-explanatory and impossible to dismiss. People debate the possible repercussions, and the consensus is: leave his job out of it. This is about running.
And all along, there are people begging Frank to come clean before the story got out of hand. People kept digging because there was a mountain of evidence and Frank kept issuing denials.
It wouldn't have taken much to make things right. Issue an apology, pay back a few AG awards. Frank certainly had the means to do so.
The thing is, if being discovered doing something would be so shameful that you feel compelled to end your life, you should not do that thing. He had access to all the help and expertise he could want. If this was how Frank chose to take responsibility at last for his actions, that's on him.
Friends don't let friends cheat at marathons.
Holy. F-ing. Sh1t.
Edit - seems someone posted a link I couldn’t find. Not fake news.
Any loss of life is tragic - but I stand by the reasonableness of public investigation.
Years of deception led him to a final irrational choice. Nobody “owns” Frank’s actions but him.
Doc killed him self today. Cheater or not a cheater, was this worth it? You all figured out he cheated in his races and got got him dq’d. Honestly, as someone familiar with USATF rules and a fellow marathon runner, thank you? But also, get lost .
DQs from the marathons weren’t enough, so you went to the news. Then the national news. Then you questioned his friends, family, teammates, professional achievements? Then you wouldn’t stop until “the world knew of his treachery..” Like little toddlers, when you didn’t get the attention you wanted, you all screamed louder.
Doc cheated in many marathons, but he NEVER dropped to the level you guys have here.
Second note: You asked where all the “LHS cubs are” in all this, and how “they boys must be in on it?” ....well ask yourself this. How would 14-18 year old boys, who train for at most the 5k, have any understanding of what it takes to run a marathon? Or why didn’t you understand when Scott Dominguez and other people close to the LHS program said that they “loved doc” and “couldn’t believe the allegations?” Can nice people not have hidden flaws or demons.
To what extent is it too much?
letsrunstacks wrote:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7.com/amp/sports/70-year-old-disqualified-la-marathon-runner-found-dead/5379340/My heart goes out to Frank's family and friends. Sorry for your loss
Agree. Shocking. Time to reassess how I respond on cheater threads ... I often said the extent of this indicated more than just ego, but also continued to call him out.
Wish he could have understood he could have regrouped. So sorry to hear this.
Guess you guys got what you wanted. You win.
Internet is the worst thing to happen to mankind wrote:
Doc killed him self today. Cheater or not a cheater, was this worth it? You all figured out he cheated in his races and got got him dq’d. Honestly, as someone familiar with USATF rules and a fellow marathon runner, thank you? But also, get lost .
DQs from the marathons weren’t enough, so you went to the news. Then the national news. Then you questioned his friends, family, teammates, professional achievements? Then you wouldn’t stop until “the world knew of his treachery..” Like little toddlers, when you didn’t get the attention you wanted, you all screamed louder.
Doc cheated in many marathons, but he NEVER dropped to the level you guys have here.
Second note: You asked where all the “LHS cubs are” in all this, and how “they boys must be in on it?” ....well ask yourself this. How would 14-18 year old boys, who train for at most the 5k, have any understanding of what it takes to run a marathon? Or why didn’t you understand when Scott Dominguez and other people close to the LHS program said that they “loved doc” and “couldn’t believe the allegations?” Can nice people not have hidden flaws or demons.
To what extent is it too much?
In hindsight, it was not worth it. Feel terrible about this tragic turn.