Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

Francisco ran LAM in 2017 and 2018 in roughly 3:27 and 3:09 respectively so he could not have been an accomplice in those years. He registered for 2019 LAM but has no time shown.

JustGene wrote:

A few things have changed in that schedule, and one is that I will probably accept Toronto's kind invitation granting me elite status for the race so that I can repeat my attempt there. I'll skip the Mountain Lakes 100, and I'm on the fence about the J&J 100K three weeks before Toronto, although it would make a nice "long run" for my marathon training.

Great. I read on Facebook about your frustration that only gun time could be used for WRs and you not being able to start in the elite corral. Best of luck at Toronto!

Start of page 2, Roderick mocking investigation.

re: FM and his medical profession --

The controversy seems to be spilling over to Meza's work life.

A website called Vitals.com, which reviews doctors, has three recent posts about Frank's alleged cheating.

https://www.vitals.com/doctors/Dr_Frank_Meza/reviews

EXCERPTS:

"He is a proven cheat. Just google him. Don't trust him with your health."

"He allegedly runs marathons. He not so allegedly cheats in them (cuts the course) then claims to have run them at record pace.... There is overwhelming photographic evidence to debunk his claims. Do you want to be treated by someone who is pathological about cheating at something that really has no meaning aside from personal achievement? It makes you wonder whether there's been lying and cheating at things in his life with higher personal stakes."

"Please, before you go see this doctor , google his name. The first thing you will see is that he is a serial marathon cheater.... If Frank Meza is crooked enough to cheat in a marathon He clearly does not deserve to practice medicine . Being a physician is a sacred job, and not for frauds and cheats and lying con men."

In addition, re: Google Search

When I just now typed in his name, even before I got to the "a" in "Meza" (i.e., at "Frank Mez"),

the top suggestion was "Frank Meza marathon" -- above "Frank Meza."

The question of character vs. professional competence has no definitive rules.

Did the fact that Bill Clinton got a bj from an intern in the White House make him a bad president?

= Some have said "Yes" -- because it's a matter of character.

= Many would say "No" -- they'd rather have a competent pro in the Oval office than an incompetent idiot -- even if that pro is a serial philanderer.

= Still others would split the difference -- his sexual indiscretions do not negate his overall high marks as a president. Still, knowing then what we know now, I wouldn't have voted for such a scummy man.

In the case of FM, his ("alleged") marathon cheating defines him as dishonest, fraudulent, sort of a con artist, and somewhere between delusional and sociopathic. However, if he were the greatest pediatric heart surgeon ever, and your daughter/son/sister/brother/niece/nephew needed surgery, would you reject him in favor of a lesser physician because he was a running cheat and a condemnable fraud of low character?

Or does dishonesty, dishonor and chicanery in one facet of a person's life predict with any degree of certainty fraud, cheating and false accomplishments in another?

= If you learn your CPA is leaving his wife for a new girlfriend he's been having an affair with, do you take your business elsewhere -- fearing he may be trying to cheat (on) you too?

= If you discover an acquaintance cheats at golf, wouldn't you suspect he plays fast & loose with the truth and integrity in other aspects of his life? (I would.)

So often we find, upon uncovering ONE cover-up/crime/sin/theft, that many many more lie beneath:

= Police arrest a thief or investigate a Paul Manafort for one infraction ... and soon unveil an abundance of other crimes.

= Spouses who are caught cheating "once" have usually committed adultery multiple times.

Indeed, the discovery of Frank's cheating in the LAM led to the discovery (or at least suspicions) of many more such frauds.

YES, some folks perhaps can compartmentalize Frank's pattern of cheating in marathons, and thus revile at others' assertions that his medical practice is likewise suspect.

But for me -- notwithstanding all humankind's susceptibility to mistakes and moral imperfections --

I think his medical practice DOES deserve at least a heightened scrutiny. Why?

Because change for the better (self improvement) is hard.

But change for the worse (ethical deterioration) is comparatively easy ... and builds momentum.

And as my parents used to say,

"Integrity is like a match. Once it's burnt up, it's gone... and virtually impossible to revive."

We're all ears. wrote:

A quick look at MI's FB page tells me there are plenty of others holding Meza "professionally accountable".

So Rod, have you been contacted?

Including a surgeon who posted there.

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My guess that one is triguru and another is doubler.

Francisco Meza, just like his father seems like a great guy. They probably are just that. But we are seeking to solve the many mysteries regarding Frank Meza and these races. I believe Frank Meza when he says he loves running. I believe he has most likely sincerely tried to help young runners. Including his son who became a good runner. However I noticed that Francisco kind of stopped running his fast times after the Boston marathon. Not running any race result to indicate he still “had it” until a 3:31 at Santa Clarita in 2016. Then 3:26 at LAM 2017 and 3:09 at LAM 2018. I thought that he seemed to be following his fathers path, After all, his life path mirrors his fathers so much. Both doctors, married to doctors. Whatever Frank Meza may have done in his various races, this seems to be a man who is living an impressive life separate from races. Unfortunately, for me, anyone who chooses (as Francisco may have) to look the other way, or just not want to think their “hero” could be doing something so crude as cheating....that person warrants being checked out to. Especially if they produce an unusually fast result. Or get exposed to scrutiny through unanswered questions relating to the Pasadena HM 2019. Frank Meza has put forth the challenge for the past 12 years or so. I see nothing wrong with pursuing all possible leads, especially if doing so respectfully.

Respectfully trolling investigators like Roderick did for much of the early pages here.

Trigurureview wrote:

My guess that one is triguru and another is doubler.

I agree that one or both are the "guru." I believe Doubler/Derrick is above that.

tldr

Slow as Molasses wrote:

"Please, before you go see this doctor , google his name. The first thing you will see is that he is a serial marathon cheater.... If Frank Meza is crooked enough to cheat in a marathon He clearly does not deserve to practice medicine . Being a physician is a sacred job, and not for frauds and cheats and lying con men."

The reviewers are condemning a person for lying about marathon results while lying about their status as patients of the doctor.

Those posts are wrong on so many levels. Shame on the people who did that.

Going after him publicly is wrong.

And for the poster - try to understand how Google works.

This is an update on my previous speculation about a bicycle being used at LAM 2019.

Previously, I posted that the split from 20-25k would have been impossible in less than 20 minutes. The long run back to the bike (at least 0.78 miles) after crossing the 20k mat followed by a 3.9 mile bike ride by the fastest bike route would have taken too long.

Next, I looked at parking the bike closer to the 20k mat so the runner would only need to cover half that distance (0.39 miles) on both the 20-25k and the 15-20k bike rides. This made the effort possible, but it would be very challenging for a 70-year-old to run the .39 miles back from the mat to the bike and then average 15mph to the next jump in point. The ride of 3.5miles and run of 0.39 miles would take at least 17 1/2 minutes. After factoring in stopping/slowing for stop signs, trafffic signals, and traffic, it seems very unlikely.

My theory of a 2nd bike parked near the 20k mat easily solves this issue. The walk to the bike could take less than a minute and the 3.1 mile bike ride would take only a little over 12 minutes. Again, it would probably be longer after factoring in stop signs, traffic signals, etc.

Then, I looked into electric bikes. Although they haven't been widely available until the last few years, I found that a high amp electric bike is only around $1,5000 and can go 20mph for 30 miles. The rider would only need to pedal assist to get up to speed after stop signs, traffic signals, etc. An electric bike would make LAM easy. However, others have mentioned that the other courses with incredibly fast times aren't bike friendly, so we're back to the accomplice theory.

"Just stop it,"

see:

https://www.google.com/search/howsearchworks/algorithms/

This will help you understand how search engines work.

The fact that "Frank Meza Marathon" appears before "Frank Meza" demonstrates the sheer volume of recent searches containing "Frank Meza" and "marathon" ... and therefore marathon cheating. That's the point here: the scandal is gaining traction.

I found this interesting letter someone wrote after the Julie Miller scandal.

https://triathlonmagazine.ca/news/letter-to-the-editor-how-amateur-cheating-hurts-the-sport/

I'm just perplexed at these repeat serial cheaters. It's one thing to cut a course once, typically to qualify for Boston, but what kind of strange mental condition and addiction drives someone to do it over and over again like FM, Julie Miller, and Kip? And do they actually want to stop, but just can't?

The Mooch wrote:

Slow as Molasses wrote:

"Please, before you go see this doctor , google his name. The first thing you will see is that he is a serial marathon cheater.... If Frank Meza is crooked enough to cheat in a marathon He clearly does not deserve to practice medicine . Being a physician is a sacred job, and not for frauds and cheats and lying con men."

The reviewers are condemning a person for lying about marathon results while lying about their status as patients of the doctor.

Precisely. I can't believe they don't see the hypocrisy at using lying and dishonesty as a tool for their retribution.

Unrelated, I met Tony while running in college in MO, and he's socially awkward as hell.

Agree wrote:

Unrelated, I met Tony while running in college in MO, and he's socially awkward as hell.

So how does that invalidate what he says here?