Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

ok already wrote:

I am starting to feel like this may be going too far in the realm of public humiliation. His misdeeds have been brought to light and hopefully the wrongs will be made right. He made some terrible lapses in judgement.

Is it about time to move on?

Frank can make it stop anytime. Doesn't have to admit guilt. Just contact the alleged marathons and request that his performance be removed .

He had no problem with them removing his performance at CIM. Why not the rest?

It's up to Frank and the other apologists. wrote:

You hit the nail on the head with the "hopefully the wrongs will be made right" bit.

Until it is, with Meza and the other apologists coming clean, it'll do what all the other clear cut cheater threads do, keep kicking along, get bigger and go main stream viral.

The ones where the miscreants come clean quickly disappear.

No, that was a """"very dumb post"""" as the wrongs won't be made right. He's not admitting to anything and won't run another competitive marathon. Do any of you actually believe he'll race a marathon this Fall with a GPS and an observer? You're kidding right?

He's just saying that now and as the race gets closer, he'll claim an injury...wait for it. Mark this page and you'll see I'm right, he knows 100% what he's doing and the suckers are falling for it. He's not running a marathon this Fall and if he did it won't matter, he'd jog it and claim injury.

Not Convinced wrote:

notice how many of his historical finishing times are within seconds of each other. How does that happen year after year?

By being amazingly methodical.

Also, would love to know how he gets between timing mats.

I always have a laugh when I see this one of him walking to the start line in full track suit and two watches, then goes and records a time of 2:56:12 with a clock time/net time differential of only 31 seconds lol.

Dicktionary wrote:

mwebsters wrote:

Oh man I can't stop laughing at this sentence, hahahaha!

The poster's sarcasm was obviously too much for you to decipher little man. I got it the first time I read it. Too deep for you, eh?

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Mr Methodical. wrote:

Not Convinced wrote:

notice how many of his historical finishing times are within seconds of each other. How does that happen year after year?

By being amazingly methodical.

Also, would love to know how he gets between timing mats.

I always have a laugh when I see this one of him walking to the start line in full track suit and two watches, then goes and records a time of 2:56:12 with a clock time/net time differential of only 31 seconds lol.

https://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=04JH90&LastName=MEZA

between mats>>>>car or bike, that's it. nothing fascinating about cheating and not hard to do...if one has no morals.

“I looked at the photos and I can assure you I did not cut. I cannot recall exactly where on the course but I did pull off to pee one time I was not able to find a portapotty so I found a building wall maybe 20 yds from street. In 2018 I had a similar problem so I waited and ran into a hotel I lost 2 min this time I was hell bent on not losing 2-3 min.“

He denied cutting the course and closed the lines of communication after stating that I was clearly out to harm and discredit him. He informed me that he would be obtaining counsel.

“I took up running for fun. What I can tell you is that I did not cut. My last few marathons I have had to step off the course, looking for a place to pee. I didn’t know this was against the rules, I was not aware of that. I’ve done this several times. I’ve realized my problem is that I don’t hydrate properly. I have never cut the distance but I have stepped off of the course.”

“I never focused on the marathon until I was 60. The last few years I’ve trained 100 miles a week for several months before my marathons. I do pretty fast 8-milers with the high school team. I don’t do speedwork, because it has given me injuries too often. I do a lot of hills. On Sundays I get out with some of the boys for longer runs in the parks.

“When Cal International disqualified me in 2014, they said I had run the last 10K too fast. I didn’t contest it. I said, ‘I would disqualify me, too. I can’t run 10K that fast.’"

And it's all for fun, lalala ladeladela lalalala ladeladela…, zany laughing boy Frank.

don't praise the unworthy wrote:

Mr Methodical. wrote:

By being amazingly methodical.

Also, would love to know how he gets between timing mats.

I always have a laugh when I see this one of him walking to the start line in full track suit and two watches, then goes and records a time of 2:56:12 with a clock time/net time differential of only 31 seconds lol.

https://www.marathonfoto.com/Proofs?PIN=04JH90&LastName=MEZA

between mats>>>>car or bike, that's it. nothing fascinating about cheating and not hard to do...if one has no morals.

does it look like he has some sort of badge attached or hanging from the lanyard?

That LAM knew about his cheating in 2015 and decided to sit on it just makes them look incompetent and makes me question (and other runners, I'm sure) the validity of ANY LAM results.

Their response to Derek is laughable because FM wasnt supposed to run 2017 or 2018 without an observer, either. They were hoping this would go away but a big ol' light is being shined on them now. They know there's probably a lot more to uncover if one cared to look.

ZoomIn wrote:

does it look like he has some sort of badge attached or hanging from the lanyard?

Apart from the medal around his neck there's the piece of cord, but hard to see what that is, could be the timing chip from out of the bib, someone else would know if that was feasible.

One for Head Coach Lalo Diaz of Loyola High School and Assistant Coach Phillip Bland: (and any other sharp eyed people out there)

Guess the sub three hour marathon runners:

https://imgur.com/a/qjBbUZy

Lion cub wrote:

That LAM knew about his cheating in 2015 and decided to sit on it just makes them look incompetent and makes me question (and other runners, I'm sure) the validity of ANY LAM results.

Their response to Derek is laughable because FM wasnt supposed to run 2017 or 2018 without an observer, either. They were hoping this would go away but a big ol' light is being shined on them now. They know there's probably a lot more to uncover if one cared to look.

Absolutely - this makes the LAM RD look utterly ridiculous and gutless quite honestly. FM is clearly on their radar from something funny in 2015. Then when presented with rock solid evidence of cheating in 2019 they do nothing. To a suspect runner from a previous LAM.

CIM should get more credit for bringing the hammer down on him - would be interested in hearing why he was DQ'd twice at CIM (I think it was mentioned he was DQ'd twice there, my bad if just once).

DQed twice, and then banned from CIM.

A question for anyone reading: how many times have you been banned from a race TWICE for cheating, and then banned from it?

None? Yeah, me neither.

"disqualified from a race TWICE for cheating," I meant to say.

And you've done this type of analysis before?

For starters, give us your take on the FM story.

He says he lost 2 minutes in 2018 when he ran into a hotel to pee. So here are his 5k splits from 2018:

20:32; 18:55; 22:03; 21:45; 19:39; 24:13; 19:44

So I'd be interested in asking him where exactly the hotel was. The obvious split would be the 30-35k split, since he "ran" so much slower in that stretch. Do those who are more familiar with the course know where hotels are along the course? If he could be nailed down as to which hotel he actually claims to have used, someone could work out if it was actually even feasible, i.e. he couldn't really say he stopped at such-and-such hotel if it was during his 18:55 split. The hotel itself could be checked as to whether there is even a toilet available that could feasibly be used in that time span.

He sort of incriminates himself by admitting there was no way he could have split 36:xx for 10k, since he "can't run 10k that fast". That was in CIM 2014. So how did he manage to run in the same ballpark several years later (and older) in LA for at least a few miles?

These "pretty fast" 8-milers with "the boys" - how fast are they exactly? For a guy who can run a marathon at 6:40 +/- per mile, and can run 5k splits in those races in 18:55, a "fast" 8-miler would have to be sub-6:30 pace at least, I would think. I'd be curious if any of "the boys" would vouch for this.

I find the explanation for the phantom 36-minute 10k at 2014 particularly bothersome. It's such a non-explanation, and then we're just supposed to move along to the next subject. It's like he thinks that by being honest (I can't run that fast), people will just write it off as some sort of misunderstanding. But there are only so many ways timing mats can be induced to indicate somebody ran from point A to point B in 36+ minutes. "Huh, that's weird" isn't an explanation. Nobody else seems to suffer from impossibly fast splits in their marathons.

Good, nuanced take. The bit about the 10K kind of seemed twisted for me too.

And let's not forget the "100-mile weeks" while conducting his responsibilities of overseeing scores of medical minions as well as coaching, no doubt doing community appearances, etc. etc..

Golgi Body wrote:

These "pretty fast" 8-milers with "the boys" - how fast are they exactly? For a guy who can run a marathon at 6:40 +/- per mile, and can run 5k splits in those races in 18:55, a "fast" 8-miler would have to be sub-6:30 pace at least, I would think. I'd be curious if any of "the boys" would vouch for this.

page 107, kegboy, 6/10/2019, 9:40 AM:

"I am a former Loyola Cub. Frank claims to run 100 mpw during marathon season and does "fast 8 milers" with the high school team. Neither are true. He would come run with us on tuesday and thursday afternoons at the parks, most of which were no more than 6 miles. half the time he didnt show up and it was another coach because he would be busy at work. now i'm sure he'd run some miles outside of coming to our practices, but no way was it 100mpw.

I don't remember a single fast 8 miler with him. he would send us off on intervals most of the time or sometimes send us off on fartleks, but I ran on the varsity team for four years and never once saw him dip below probably 8:15 - 8:00 pace. I am planning on stopping by a summer practice with Loyola within the next few weeks, and I've spoken to diaz recently but have not brought up the subject over the phone. I am going to ask him about it when I see them. I assume FM is not running with them right now, likely hiding from the trails in case someone in the running community who knows of his cheating spots him."

I’d love to be in the Frank Meza war room now. Who else is in it do you think?

The coach who threatened, his accomplices, the LAM RD, charities etc?

They are all screaming at him for being a dope and “how can we contain it”