Frank Meza 2:53:10 at LA Marathon (70 years old) unofficial time (just finished)

RossiCheated wrote:

And on the topic of legal issues...

Our boy Frank has no shot in a defamation case. He’s a public figure so he’d have to show that the accusations of cheating are false AND that such accusations were made with actual malice (a blatant disregard for the truth). Good luck with that. A trial, which would never occur, would just be a parade of evidence that he cheats. He’d get crushed.

And speaking of cheating, what was the upshot on doubler and the Sprouts Mesa-PHX Marathon? That was also a "world record" -- and one that is referenced on the Loyola High School athletic website.

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One also notes that that Loyola High School's website states that "Ultimately, [the Ignatian vision] guides Loyola High School to prepare young men in conscience and intellect, through wisdom and action, to become 'Men for and with Others,' who serve unselfishly in order that the universal goals of goodness, truth and justice may be shared by the whole human family."

In what way does Loyola High School's publicizing -- or capitalizing on -- FM's duplicitous "world record" represent an unselfish commitment to goodness, truth and justice?

If someone from Loyola High School sees this post and can elucidate, please do...

double v wrote:

Roderick Powell wrote:

I read the 2 reviews that obviously came from posters from this thread. They were absurd. They looked like letters from a jilted lover. They went beyond stating "he cheated". They seemed to be trying to convince someone that FM was a cheater at marathons, a person who was just trying to get info about a doctor, These go on a permanent record. These does no honor to us runners. "Creepy" would apply to this kind of behavior.

doubler's work, perhaps?

No. I've never pulled anything like that. I write the articles, and contact the races. I never do that kind of crap, contact employers, or even sponsors.

I expect that in many cases my readers will contact sponsors, but I shut down the discussion the best I can whenever someone advocates or provides information regarding employers, personal Facebook pages, etc.

Golgi Body wrote:

word of advice wrote:

no, your peabrain can't comprehend that his fake effort, which won't count, would parallel with the top masters in the world. this is a 3:30 hobby jogger like yourself, it's the big time at that age. do try to think before you touch the keypad.

"word of advice" - you're being a d!ck. The guys you're attacking probably agrees with you for the most part, and is being civil. Is it really necessary to throw personal insults at anybody who disagrees with you to the slightest degree?

You set quite the example there Oh Holy One. Learn from your own mistake or you're being a d!ck.

What would St. Ignatious think? wrote:

In what way does Loyola High School's publicizing -- or capitalizing on -- FM's duplicitous "world record" represent an unselfish commitment to goodness, truth and justice?

If someone from Loyola High School sees this post and can elucidate, please do...

Well, Dr Meza is respected within the school and various communities, if he tells them he holds the world record and it's there in the results, what are they going to do?

As you feel so strongly about it perhaps you could be the guiding light of all that is good and proper and contact them with what you believe to be the truth.

Reynald wrote:

word of advice wrote:

this is a 3:30 hobby jogger like yourself

Whoa hold on, let's not go crazy here. Frank ain't running no 3:30. I doubt he could run a 4:30 in a legitimate effort.

Yes...at best...

A question and a suggestion. wrote:

What would St. Ignatious think? wrote:

In what way does Loyola High School's publicizing -- or capitalizing on -- FM's duplicitous "world record" represent an unselfish commitment to goodness, truth and justice?

If someone from Loyola High School sees this post and can elucidate, please do...

Well, Dr Meza is respected within the school and various communities, if he tells them he holds the world record and it's there in the results, what are they going to do?

As you feel so strongly about it perhaps you could be the guiding light of all that is good and proper and contact them with what you believe to be the truth.

How ignorant are you? What he "believes" to be the truth? You are lacking in the brain cell department if you don't believe he cheated. Based on myself timing his KNOWN "breaks", he would have easily smashed 2:50 even with a walk break thrown in for good measure. Why don't you grow up?

PTF wrote:

Reynald wrote:

Whoa hold on, let's not go crazy here. Frank ain't running no 3:30. I doubt he could run a 4:30 in a legitimate effort.

Yes...at best...

I think "word of advice" was being overly giving with that time for Frank:):):):):):)

A question and a suggestion. wrote:

What would St. Ignatious think? wrote:

In what way does Loyola High School's publicizing -- or capitalizing on -- FM's duplicitous "world record" represent an unselfish commitment to goodness, truth and justice?

If someone from Loyola High School sees this post and can elucidate, please do...

Well, Dr Meza is respected within the school and various communities, if he tells them he holds the world record and it's there in the results, what are they going to do?

As you feel so strongly about it perhaps you could be the guiding light of all that is good and proper and contact them with what you believe to be the truth.

Excellent. Does this exemplify the Jesuit traditions of inquiry at your school? (And I would not pretend to be the guiding light for all that is good and proper -- don't you trust to someone else for that guidance?)

However, as I am not a member of your community, whom specifically would you advise to contact about your colleague?

Googlerperson wrote:

Bad reviews linked to his marathon cheating are starting to show up in Health Grades and Vitals.com. That should get his attention

What kind of a moran goes to a 70 yo doctor? Yeah, maybe if you're interested in a prescription for leaches! The guy got his degree 40 decades ago. Practicing medicine isn't his greatest concern. He stated that he wants to get back to training. I'm guessing that he wants to train his drivers.

40 decades? I wish we could edit our posts. Of course I meant 4 decades.

What would St. Ignatious think? wrote:

However, as I am not a member of your community, whom specifically would you advise to contact about your colleague?

You don't have to be a member of my community or any other, just an ability to use the internet:

A question and a suggestion for you wrote:

[quote]A question and a suggestion. wrote:

What he "believes" to be the truth?

Yes, or are you questioning that he doesn't believe it to be the truth?

What would St. Ignatious think? wrote:

Excellent. Does this exemplify the Jesuit traditions of inquiry at your school?

yeah, you'd expect them at the very least to go to derek for a full investigation lol

double v wrote:

Roderick Powell wrote:

I read the 2 reviews that obviously came from posters from this thread. They were absurd. They looked like letters from a jilted lover. They went beyond stating "he cheated". They seemed to be trying to convince someone that FM was a cheater at marathons, a person who was just trying to get info about a doctor, These go on a permanent record. These does no honor to us runners. "Creepy" would apply to this kind of behavior.

doubler's work, perhaps?

Doubler isn't even a hobby jogger. He is in the 6+ hour marathon death march group.

A question and a suggestion. wrote:

Well, Dr Meza is respected within the school and various communities, if he tells them he holds the world record and it's there in the results, what are they going to do?

As you feel so strongly about it perhaps you could be the guiding light of all that is good and proper and contact them with what you believe to be the truth.

Anything not factual in that post (apart from poster 'What would St. Ignatious think?' not being "the guiding light of all that is good and proper").

"Doubler isn't even a hobby jogger. He is in the 6+ hour marathon death march group." To the poster who posted these words..........this is letsrun.com, a site for runners and visitors to a runners site. To try to be funny (or mean, perhaps) ain't too cool. 6 hour marathoners include former olympic trials runners, and others who have lost their "base", yet still run slower. Ask the elite marathoners how much they are impressed with us "slower than them" runners. They are aware that most of us are puting in as much work as they are for up to 3 or 4 times longer. They watch us with awe and respect. My experience as an older and "slower runner than youthful days" is that the vast majority of us show "respect to all our fellow "racers". That is what makes races so uplifting. It is one giant party, for all. I am sure Doubler can laugh off your comment. But, if it hurts even one runner, is it really cool? This is not to say that I am the boss of the world, and should be telling you what to say or not, say. But as the saying goes..."just sayin"....

Frank Meza isn’t even a hobby jogger, either...But if the issue is good runners, think of the accolades FM stole from them.

FM is a hobby cheater...He cheats “for fun.”