The problem with you guys is that you think easy pace is one single pace. I remeber reading several logs of Canova coached runners and also some of Ritz´logs. Some days it would be really easy, some days it would be 10 miles in 60 minutes.
The problem with you guys is that you think easy pace is one single pace. I remeber reading several logs of Canova coached runners and also some of Ritz´logs. Some days it would be really easy, some days it would be 10 miles in 60 minutes.
Galen Rupp and Mo Farah on the difference to training that Alberto brings -
"We were doing our easy runs too easy. Immediately we started running faster, 5:40 miles, as easy days where before we'd do more leisurely paces."
kjk wrote:
Galen Rupp and Mo Farah on the difference to training that Alberto brings -
"We were doing our easy runs too easy. Immediately we started running faster, 5:40 miles, as easy days where before we'd do more leisurely paces."
Yeah, PEDs allows that.
TinmanRantIncoming wrote:
Tinman DESTROYED with FACTS and LOGIC
Really? Tinman talked about coaching a guy called Mike who was running all of his runs at a moderately fast pace with just 1 or 2 workouts to tune up for races. The guy apparently destroyed some cross country races.
It's more Daniels who talked about running easy on your easy days to avoid what he called "quality junk" training. Plus there is all this scudloads of research championed mainly by Stephen Seiler that talks about polarized training where your easy days are supposed to be easy with just one or two high intensity workouts each week but who knows if they are right.
belial wrote:
There's a lot of speculation out there with regards to easy runs. Who knows what the truth is. For elite runners, there's a lot on the line. For us blokes, the important thing is basically not to push too hard to avoid injury and keeping it going for as long as we desire. That means you need sufficient rest, i.e., a lot of easy days. Since you're not elite, a lot more of your training can consist of cross training.
There will be moments where you want to peak for a fun run, of course, but overthinking it will probably just make you worse off. Besides, no one cares, especially your wife. She definitely gives no sh*ts.
+10
Somewhere between 18 and 24 minutes.
Armstrong looks fit. however, and Ryan Hall looks absolutely terrible.
Don't want to watch the while thing wrote:
Easy days easy wrote:
Hall recently said on the Lance Armstrong podcast, that he did his easy runs really slow.
Do you happen to recall what part of the podcast that was?
Don't remember exactly. I'll re-listen to it right now and comeback for the exact time he says it on the podcast. I should update this in about a hour or so.
I talked to a Colombian runner w/ 2:20 PR back in the day (late 80s). He was no pro. Had hardscrabble jobs. He still does. He cleans gym. Had no amenities like better nutrition, massage, etc. He said he ran 26 miles per day. Most of them at a fast pace. He said when you run that much, marathon feels like 5K. Only once a week he did very easy run of like 10 miles at close to 10 min pace on purpose. He did have his share of injuries but he attributed that to not having the time to properly stretch and not having the dough to get massages and PT.
The first thing that came to my mind was if a guy with full time sucking jobs with very little income can train this much and intensity, WTH are US professionals doing besides posting pictures on the IG.
Easy days easy seems to work fine for Kipchoge, Kamworor, and many other Kenyans.
belial wrote:
There's a lot of speculation out there with regards to easy runs. Who knows what the truth is. For elite runners, there's a lot on the line. For us blokes, the important thing is basically not to push too hard to avoid injury and keeping it going for as long as we desire. That means you need sufficient rest, i.e., a lot of easy days. Since you're not elite, a lot more of your training can consist of cross training.
There will be moments where you want to peak for a fun run, of course, but overthinking it will probably just make you worse off. Besides, no one cares, especially your wife. She definitely gives no sh*ts.
Amen!
I'll look it up wrote:
Don't want to watch the while thing wrote:
Do you happen to recall what part of the podcast that was?
Don't remember exactly. I'll re-listen to it right now and comeback for the exact time he says it on the podcast. I should update this in about a hour or so.
Go to 23:23
https://youtu.be/YFlKMFstkoQbelial wrote:
There's a lot of speculation out there with regards to easy runs. Who knows what the truth is. For elite runners, there's a lot on the line. For us blokes, the important thing is basically not to push too hard to avoid injury and keeping it going for as long as we desire. That means you need sufficient rest, i.e., a lot of easy days. Since you're not elite, a lot more of your training can consist of cross training.
There will be moments where you want to peak for a fun run, of course, but overthinking it will probably just make you worse off. Besides, no one cares, especially your wife. She definitely gives no sh*ts.
100% agreed [in fact the more you train more than likely the more nonplussed your wife is about it, probably beyond 20mpw lol].
Also Meb ftw. Maybe not the best marathoner we've ever had, but he was an important part of the 2000-2010 period for us, and I'm glad he was on our side. All you ever need to know about Meb's relevance was the Boston/NYC wins
I think the problem arises when you attempt to have fast easy days and still maintain BIG workouts like normal. A change of view perhaps? Viewing the majority of your daily running as THE fitness builder in the program, gradually picking up the pace over time. Using workouts to sharpen up and add that little kick of fitness to keep the ball rolling.
You see this type of training from many successful runners from the 60's - 80's. OG Lydiard types.
From middle distance runners to marathoners. Pushing the pace almost daily.
Some of the workouts you see college coaches and HS coaches lay out are just enormous, big volume, way too fast, way too little rest.... Following that up with a quicker runs throughout the week? ouch.
belial wrote:
Besides, no one cares, especially your wife. She definitely gives no sh*ts.
fact.
mebknowsbest wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPt4Ls-l6mothe conversation about it starts at 1:26:40.
"They take their easy days too easy…." Exactly! The "secret" is to run the easy days in perfect individual best pace. To get the most aerobic bucks out of the effort……
SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:
mebknowsbest wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPt4Ls-l6mothe conversation about it starts at 1:26:40.
"They take their easy days too easy…." Exactly! The "secret" is to run the easy days in perfect individual best pace. To get the most aerobic bucks out of the effort……
How do you respond to Ryan Hall, (go to 23:23):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YFlKMFstkoQ&feature=youtu.becotton shirt wrote:
Fake News said: Most avid runners who aren't that serious but know a little about elite running know who meb is. He's like the only elite US marathoner in recent years who has been on regular tv commercials.
I hope you are sitting down because this might come as something of a shock to you, but running is a sport in countries other than the United States, there are runners in other countries too, and not everyone watches American television adverts.
at practice today I asked a bunch of regular runners (there were 25 people altogether) if they could tell me who Meb Keflizighi or Ryan Hall are. one of them said, "isn't Ryan Hall that comedian who does the Oscars?"
cheers.
I've heard of MEG Ryan. This Ryan Hall, no.
What most folks don't get is that every one is different.... no exact or magic way to be great.
I know guys who hammered every day ... mega miles. I know guys who took easy days easy and ran far fewer miles.... gotta find what works for you.
Btw, what's "wrong" and why there aren't American sub 2:10 guys is more about socio-economics than anything else... far less about how slow/fast your easy days are
So the elliptigo guy is telling us we need to run faster on easy days. Classic. Maybe if he ran more on easy days and not used an elliptigo, he would have run faster.
Zactly... wrote:
What most folks don't get is that every one is different.... no exact or magic way to be great.
I know guys who hammered every day ... mega miles. I know guys who took easy days easy and ran far fewer miles.... gotta find what works for you.
Btw, what's "wrong" and why there aren't American sub 2:10 guys is more about socio-economics than anything else... far less about how slow/fast your easy days are
PLEASE explain the socio-economics of why US marathoners are terrible.