Sage Canaday 1:09 Portland Half Marathon. Why??

RedMeatNotNecessary wrote:

I'll say it again. Alex Honnold free solo climbed El Capitan on a vegetarian plus eggs diet. This feat was a million times more impressive than sub two hour marathon will ever be. It's like if he was attempting to run a sub two hour marathon but if he wasn't able to do it he would die. And he did it training without red meat.

Usain Bolt ran like a superhuman on Chicken Nuggets. I want to be faster, but I am not going to start eating at MacDonald's because of Usain. Young talented athletes typically can eat anything and perform well.

That said, there are much better and stronger technical climbers than Alex, and they are not vegetarian. His achievement on El Cap is like running a 2:08 marathon with a city bus following two feet behind you. Most of his ability is mental.

Until recently, the top vegan athlete was Tim Schieff. Google to find out that worked out for him.

Not Fast But Furious wrote:

Not fast but furious wrote:

I just emailed wejo and asked him to ban him for a month. Jesse whoever is a nut.

This is the OP here. The above post is not me. I haven’t reported or emailed anyone. I am not remotely interested in this petty squabble. I also don’t care to discuss the benefits of a vegan or meat diet.

Is it possible to talk about Sage and his training/results? FWIW I started this thread as a Sage fan who is concerned with his recent results and thinks he needs a training overhaul of some sort.

This is the OP here. I'm outta here until Sage sends me a signed autographed picture, or a stalk of corn.

You say you want to be faster? At your age, you mean in the restroom, right?

Finally someone using common sense! Logic and reason says we should eat red meat raw. It's in our genes. I've seen countless vegans die from malnutrition. I should honestly be illegal.

I should also mention that I am a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (DNP). I believe any human will die if they don't eat red meat raw.

I'm not Sage (or his mom) wrote:

So I'm in my office looking at a day of lame meetings & Sage is out there on the trails training for Comrades. Lots of runners with more talent than Sage who are at jobs like mine, but he's out there living a life that seems pretty awesome. He's had some good results, some not so good, but he's got the courage to get after it, whether the odds are in his favor or not, whether he wins or gets dropped. As a fan, I wish there were more guys like him out there, it would make the sport a lot more interesting.

Yeah... then he gets whooped in races by people like you who spend their days in offices.

It's kinda sad - no? Love me some Sage, but man - the guy for how much he obsesses and dedicates his life towards running, he sure isn't all that great at it. Lots of hobby joggers with full time jobs, families, etc.... who AREN't running full time are crushing him in race after race.

DIII Recruit wrote:

I should honestly be illegal.

Yuuup, you should.

Yeah1 wrote:

Yeah... then he gets whooped in races by people like you who spend their days in offices.

It's kinda sad - no? Love me some Sage, but man - the guy for how much he obsesses and dedicates his life towards running, he sure isn't all that great at it. Lots of hobby joggers with full time jobs, families, etc.... who AREN't running full time are crushing him in race after race.

This is bully mentality and a cancerous post. Get off the internet with this kind of garbage response.

DIII Recruit wrote:

I should also mention that I am a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (DNP). I believe any human will die if they don't eat red meat raw.

That's true whether they eat red meat or not. You realize every human eventually dies right?

sometimes (?) HR can give you an idea of who was hanging it out there a bit more, who perhaps mentally caved, etc so here's some mile-data since both Sage and Jesse posted to strava (with unknown device accuracy):

First things first: Stravas GAP calculation gave them :04s/mi vs a flat course [are there any flat courses?], so knock off about a minute for a "flat course" or maybe half that for a "mostly flat" course. Jesse's strava zone 5 starts at 182 HR

HR per mile split Jesse:

153

156

157

156

160

162

163

164

161

160

163

167

168

169

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avg 161

Sage's Z5 starts at 180 HR [does Jesse have a higher HRM even tho 6 years older? Did one of them put in incorrect data for their max HR?]

128

165

165

166

166

167

168

167

166

166

164

164

165

169

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avg: 163 [mile 1 spurious data methinks, real avg 164-165]

so if we assume that Jesse's HRM is actually 2 beats higher [per their entered strava zones], Thomas was definitely cruising relative to Sage. If anything, Thomas had more to give

If we ignore what they entered for their strava HRM we have 164-165 avg for Sage at a 6-yr age advantage, and 161 for Thomas, for a delta of 3-4 instead of 5-6 as one might expect from age alone.

So Thomas was taking it easy(er) relatively imho. Different day, different results, yadda yadda, could have more to do with who had more picky bars w/caffeine that day than the other.

Thomas's HR data shows that in the first half of the race particularly, he was just cruising. [as he says he stayed with the pack/hid among them up until mile 6]

I looked at Strava's faq: re: HR zones, and came across this:

http://www.flammerouge.je/faqs/faqs_stravazones.htm

so lets presume z5 starts at 90% of HRM

that means Sage's 180 start of zone 5 corresponds precisely to a 200 HRM. Possible, but looks suspiciously like default non-user modified data to me.

Jesse's looks like he may have entered his values into it as 182 @ 90% implies 202 HRM, which while kinda high for a knocking-on-40 YO, at least doesn't look like default data.

So its possible Sage's HRM is closer to 220-(age aka 33) which would be 187, but give him a couple points for being a long term elite, say 194 true HRM or something.

Jesse if you troll his results you might find his true HR somewhere but likely its actually lower than Sages therefore the same conclusion applies:

Sage was a bit closer to the sun here in terms of HR effort, and Jesse was apparently cruising for most of this race, although it looked like the final 7 probably hurt a bit

Thomas is listed as 6’1” and 174 pounds which is big for a runner. He also has a business and two small kids. How is Sage losing to this guy??

I hope he gets right and has a good showing at Comrades and other mountain races.

Not Fast But Furious wrote:

Thomas is listed as 6’1” and 174 pounds which is big for a runner. He also has a business and two small kids. How is Sage losing to this guy??

I hope he gets right and has a good showing at Comrades and other mountain races.

He’s getting crushed by hobby joggers and this is his “profession” - I’d be embarrassed.

reality check. wrote:

Surprised that you are surprised.

Soon he's man job will be posting his usual pulp in social media.

And I am surprised that you are surprised that other person was surprised. This is all very surprising.

Sucking at your job wrote:

Not Fast But Furious wrote:

Thomas is listed as 6’1” and 174 pounds which is big for a runner. He also has a business and two small kids. How is Sage losing to this guy??

I hope he gets right and has a good showing at Comrades and other mountain races.

He’s getting crushed by hobby joggers and this is his “profession” - I’d be embarrassed.

Let’s not be ignorant. Clearly he’s no hobby jogger and is a stud athlete but he has no business winning a half marathon against pro runners who don’t happen to spend inordinate amount of time swimming and biking.

The more miles that are run on planet earth, the worse my dementia gets. It'll only be months now...

jesseriIey wrote:

The more miles that are run on planet earth, the worse my dementia gets. It'll only be months now...

Are you vegan as well? That may be contributing to your dementia. There's a lot of research on the connection between red meat aversion and dementia.

Not Fast But Furious wrote:

Sucking at your job wrote:

He’s getting crushed by hobby joggers and this is his “profession” - I’d be embarrassed.

Let’s not be ignorant. Clearly he’s no hobby jogger and is a stud athlete but he has no business winning a half marathon against pro runners who don’t happen to spend inordinate amount of time swimming and biking.

Let’s not be ignorant. If you aren’t in sub-2:12 marathon/sub 1:02 half shape, you are a hobby jogger on a global scale; meaning, you are consistently several minutes behind actual athletes. So, yes, in the battle of hobby joggers, Sage lost to a superior hobby jogger. He may be a “stud” in a sub-1:10 race, but is pathetic with real (sub 1:02) competition - among real runners.

And Jesse was wearing Vaporflys, so that helped his efficiency. Sage, not so much with his footwear.