I'm calling it now, on 3-18-2019: Zion Williamson will be a BUST in the NBA

Yeah, if theJeff's line for "bust" is Zion won't be one of, you know, the top 10-15 players of all time, you'd probably be wise to place the odds with him. That's a weird definition of "bust" though. If the line (a generous one for the word "bust") is that he would make 2.5 all star teams, I would bet the over.

tfrrsftw wrote:

You could say this about literally every college player that looks great against other college players. Zion's freshman stats are for all intents and purposes the same as KD's, but his usage is lower and his efficiency is higher. He's also a better defender then KD was in college or for much of his NBA career. Hard to compare Lebron or Kobe to Zion since they didn't play in college, but Kobe wasn't elite his first couple years and Lebron is a top 3 player of all time, so I don't know what argument you're really trying to make.

Why does it matter if Zion is a "BUST"? The moment after the draft, he's still going to sign a contract for more money than 99.9% of all runners will ever make in their lives...I agree a bust would be disappointing for some, but he's going to be taking good money the bank soon. I'd take that "bust" anyday...

or Kenny Walker from KY or JR Reid from NC

not as fat wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Zion played his way from ~#5 draft pick to obvious #1 overall this year.

Nobody can name a more athletic 19 year old to ever enter the NBA.

Shawn Kemp? KG?

Nope, and Nope. Kemp was really athletic but not more athletic, and KG was about half as athletic as both Kemp and Zion.

The Knicks have room for 2 max contracts....If they can get Kyrie and Durant and the first pick? That will open the floor for Zion to do his thing

math man wrote:

coach wrote:

Most NBA players handle a season fine?

The list of high usage rookies who have been injured is quite extensive. The list of NBA players who get injured is also long.

Look up the word 'most'

Just a few of this year's rookies who have been injured:

Doncic knee

J Jackson quad

D Ayton a few ankle sprains

Balgley knee

Bamba stress fracture

Sexton hip

Even Trae Young who dorsnt jump has gotten hurt.

Zion will get hurt.

Lonnie Walker, Porter Jr, Z Smith couldn't even begin their rookie year. The list for the last few years is even longer.

coach wrote:

math man wrote:

Look up the word 'most'

Just a few of this year's rookies who have been injured:

Doncic knee

J Jackson quad

D Ayton a few ankle sprains

Balgley knee

Bamba stress fracture

Sexton hip

Even Trae Young who dorsnt jump has gotten hurt.

Zion will get hurt.

Lonnie Walker, Porter Jr, Z Smith couldn't even begin their rookie year. The list for the last few years is even longer.

Look up the word 'most.'

Lol, looking at your list:

Missed games:

Ayton: 6

Doncic: 5

T Young : 1

Sexton: 0

these are players you are citing to prove that most rookies don't survive the NBA season?

Lol, if this what you mean by 'injured' then sure Zion is going to get injured, just like every single other player in the NBA.

If being a 'bust' due to injury is playing 75 games and averaging 20-10,then yeah Zion going to be a bust, big time.

Jr Reid comparison lol wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Zion played his way from ~#5 draft pick to obvious #1 overall this year.

Nobody can name a more athletic 19 year old to ever enter the NBA.

Unless you're predicting injury it's hard to see how he could be a 'bust.'

You are right he will be 19 in NBA, as he turns 19 in July. Would you expect an 18 yo to continue improving? Yes

How many pros could play now, vs Cuse, UNC, and Fl State and shoot 33 for 43 (that includes 3 or 4 missed 3 pointers I think) and defend like he does (the steals and crazy blocks, like the one on Luke Maye with about 1:30 left)?

There are some guys who could do it- but they are really good NBA players.

There are a lot of NBA guys who could do that. Last year, a couple of the TV announcers had just gotten back to calling NBA games after spending a couple weeks doing the NCAA tournament. They kept saying how they were just amazed at how much faster and athletic the NBA games were relative to what they had just been seeing.

College is now very athletic 18 year olds and not as athletic but experienced 22 year olds. When you have to go against LeBron and then Anthony Davis and then the Greek Freak night after night in games where every single player on the floor is a really really good fully grown man, going against Luke Maye and some 19 year olds is just not that tough.

the jeff is wrong again wrote:

He'll be midway between Blake Griffin and Charles Barkley.

Not a bad place to be :)

the jeff is wrong again wrote:the knicks will probably suck, but it won't be his fault.

100% facts.

On the other hand, he could turn out to be a Kahlil Okafor. Please, gouge this Sixer's fan's eyes out to prevent me from ever seeing that man play ever again.

Jr Reid comparison lol wrote:

How many pros could play now, vs Cuse, UNC, and Fl State and shoot 33 for 43 (that includes 3 or 4 missed 3 pointers I think) and defend like he does (the steals and crazy blocks, like the one on Luke Maye with about 1:30 left)?

There are some guys who could do it- but they are really good NBA players.

This is dumb. There’s tons of NBA players who could dominate college ball like Zion. Think about it like running: a college athlete who runs 13:15 is the best in the NCAA. A pro who runs 13:15 is B tier.

The same applies here. At his current ability level he’d be a decent role player, not “really good.”

Obviously I’m not criticizing Zion. I think he will improve and be a top player in the NBA, but it’s stupid to act like he’s already at that level.

I never said he'd be a bust, but he is going to get injured. Zion won't get injured in the summer or pre season like many rookies do because his team will most probably hold him out. My guess is during the season probably next January.

The Jeff wrote:

He'll get picked by the Knicks where he will be stuck for years with poor management, coaching, rosters and will wistfully watch as teams in the same division, Philly and Boston, routinely make deep playoff runs. He's being projected to be a Charles Barkley type but will wind up more like Larry Johnson or Oliver Miller.

you are really one insecure old dude, eh? you'll be wrong like the rest of your other attention seeking threads. go to bed princess, your boyfriend needs you to be well rested.

If by “bust” you mean he will not leave up to the hype then yes. He is taking advantage of middling college players but that advantage will be gone in the NBA. Zion is a tweener and does not shoot the three. He is comparable to Barkley and Griffin. Much more athletic than Larry Johnson though. It does not matter who drafts him. He will do freakish thing from time to time but will not take over games nd win championships. I do hate that the Botox, hair dyed devil in Durham is going to leech another championship off one-and-dones.

Harambe wrote:

Nobody can name a more athletic 19 year old to ever enter the NBA.

Vince MF Carter.

math man wrote:

coach wrote:

Just a few of this year's rookies who have been injured:

Doncic knee

J Jackson quad

D Ayton a few ankle sprains

Balgley knee

Bamba stress fracture

Sexton hip

Even Trae Young who dorsnt jump has gotten hurt.

Zion will get hurt.

Lonnie Walker, Porter Jr, Z Smith couldn't even begin their rookie year. The list for the last few years is even longer.

Look up the word 'most.'

Look up the word "moist."

Zion may not end-up as the big leader superstar like LeBron, but he could still have a significant impact. Remember that Grant Hill (also from Duke) was statistically rated as the most valuable team player of his era based on his value to team wins. Sure most people want to see Zion doing amazing things in the NBA, but his "fit" on the right team could really determine how successful he will be in the first few years.

tfrrsftw wrote:

The Jeff wrote:

He's no LeBron, KD, or Kobe, like everyone seems to be saying. Won't be a generational player at the next level. He looks great charging through other 18 year olds who can't remember defensive set assignments.

You could say this about literally every college player that looks great against other college players. Zion's freshman stats are for all intents and purposes the same as KD's, but his usage is lower and his efficiency is higher. He's also a better defender then KD was in college or for much of his NBA career. Hard to compare Lebron or Kobe to Zion since they didn't play in college, but Kobe wasn't elite his first couple years and Lebron is a top 3 player of all time, so I don't know what argument you're really trying to make.

LMAO LeBron is top 3 all time? Hahahaha you just lost all credibility. Your "top 3 all time" player won't even make the playoffs this year! Get him more help! Even Kobe, who is borderline top 10 all time, took a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs in 2006-2007.

LMAO top 3 wrote:

tfrrsftw wrote:

You could say this about literally every college player that looks great against other college players. Zion's freshman stats are for all intents and purposes the same as KD's, but his usage is lower and his efficiency is higher. He's also a better defender then KD was in college or for much of his NBA career. Hard to compare Lebron or Kobe to Zion since they didn't play in college, but Kobe wasn't elite his first couple years and Lebron is a top 3 player of all time, so I don't know what argument you're really trying to make.

LMAO LeBron is top 3 all time? Hahahaha you just lost all credibility. Your "top 3 all time" player won't even make the playoffs this year! Get him more help! Even Kobe, who is borderline top 10 all time, took a bunch of scrubs to the playoffs in 2006-2007.

Don't be an idiot. That was Kobe's 11th season. This is LeBron's 16th season. Kobe played 77 games that year. LeBron has played 51 this year. Look at some of the Cavs teams LeBron lead to the playoffs during his first stint, including the team he took to the Finals, and you'll see they're way worse than Kobe's 06-07 team. Anyone who actually knows basketball knows you "lost all credibility" when you said "LMAO" at LeBron being top 3 all time.