Did he get his medical license back yet?
Ya, his record is definitely a Matt London type record. But hey, one record for a sport no one knew existed is more records than I have.
Did he get his medical license back yet?
Ya, his record is definitely a Matt London type record. But hey, one record for a sport no one knew existed is more records than I have.
defrocked wrote:
Did he get his medical license back yet?
Yes, vegans go home DEVASTATED.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-okpHuaaMWhat is it with you diet obsessives and YouTube? Put whatever you have to say in writing. I don't want to watch some guy ramble for 20 minutes when his point could be made in 350 words.
It's like you think there is a big conspiracy going on...lead by vegetable crop farmers? Are you also an anti-vaxxer and flatEarther? Talk about fear based. And how are "blue zone" cultures made up exactly? You don't think keto/Atkins/Paleo low carb diet is big business? Look at the financial pull the US has in just meat and dairy....Billions and billions of dollars (and government subsidies). The science I cite is "crap" but yours is truth because you found some crazy youtube videos of ex-vegans and anti-vegan rants? Again double standard and you are obviously full of bias. At least I admit to my bias. Veggies and fruits are some of the most nutrient dense (for vitamins/antioxidants and minerals) foods one can eat...especially when we talk about nutrient density per calorie. They are also great for rehydrating and the carbs are obviously the best fuel source for endurance sports/activity. Why do you think runners like Zach Bitter and Jeff Browning are sponsored by companies like "GU" and "Xendurance"...some of the most sugary gel products on the market? Because they have to take them in a race to run well. And what are these "anti-nutrients" in vegetables/fruits exactly? Smh.
YMMV wrote:
S. Canaday wrote:
The ironic thing is that you say I am "religious" about my diet, but you are not? Seems like a double standard you think?
Are "keto/paleo/low carb" people also not cultish/passionate about their diet like vegans/vegetarians?
I'm sorry you had so many health problems in your 20s-40s...but again an "n=1" experiment is a horrible study and not proof of anything.
You like to list out individuals as "proof", but I'm listing whole populations (that have actually lived for a long time for generations) that have thrived on a high carb, low fat diet (plant based).
15% is the percentage of actual meat and fish consumed. DAiry and eggs are a bit over 15%. The rest is plant-derived.
My N=1 that you disparage so easily is shared by thousands, who have had no voice until the internet. I could post well over 100 video testimonials of ex-vegans, all published just in the last year, but I won't because they mostly tell the same story as mine. Many or even most have gone 80-100% carnivore to repair the damage done by years of malnutrition on exclusively plant-based diets. Maybe they will heal enough to incorporate selected plant foods, as I have done very carefully. The fact is that plants do not want us to eat them and fight back through chemistry, including antinutrients that bind nutrients and make them non-bio-available. Spinach for instance has lots of iron on paper, but it is bound by oxalates and is an unhealthy food as a result, unless you want kidney stones and gut issues.
The entire diet, pharma and food industry is driven by profit and the status quo. It rivals "national defense" as a fear-based driver of extracting money from consumers and taxpayers. Plants can be leveraged massively for profit and cropped on a scale unimaginable for livestock,The perfect setup for corporate domination. This while producing health consequences that have turned "health care" into a massive machine of slow death, fully medicated and automated cradle to grave. Inflammation = profit, and the driver of inflammation is plant-based carbs and oils, neither of which is a dietary requirement, only a vehicle for malnutrition.
Dietary "science' as a result is a farce, based on bogus surveys and epidemiology with a myriad of confounding factors. "Blue zones" are a myth promoted to sell books, a diet and an ideology. Our diet was animal-centered for two million years, and it wasn't until the plow was invented in historical times that the environment started being wrecked and human nutrition began to decline. Fortunately, some of us are able to expand our thinking and experience to match our genetic inheritance. Until you have tried the full spectrum of eating, you will never be fully qualified to comment on a diet which is helping thousands. Your qualification to comment on carnivory is about as relevant as your advice on how to succeed at the 100m dash at a high level. You can quote all the crap "science" and stats you want, but you are still deeply uninformed.
YMMV wrote:
track chick wrote:
Most of these fad diets are just too extreme. Thinking logically, the best diet is going to be one that's as unprocessed as possible, with good quality fresh ingredients and a variety of items.
This sounds reasonable, but for many people who "eat clean" in this way, their health deteriorates after their late 40s especially after age 60. I have many friends in their 50s and 60s who are disciplined (not fat) and try to be active but persist in their conventionally "healthy" plant-based, higher-carb diets, and continue to experience increasing disability and cognitive decline. It is quite sad, really. They eschewed the sedentary ways of their parents, but are in many ways in worse shape at the same ages.
Fortunately, most younger people in their 20s and 30s have at least heard of alternatives such as keto and carnivore, and healthy varied-intensity training, so now have those options where before there were none widely known. I have hope that these younger cohorts will be able to realize and recognize the reality that we have been lied to for over 50 years when it comes to optimizing health and nutrition. Of course a few such as Sage who have made it their religion will die by their anti-meat flag rather than admit they may be off-track.
I don't mean "eating clean". No idea where you got that from and I think the whole concept is BS.
I meant why exclude things like salmon etc completely. It doesn't make sense to me. What I said has nothing to do with a plant based diet or high carb. I actually prefer the opposite, so I don't get how you got to that from what I wrote.
Also how the fuuck would eating a variety of unprocessed foods lead to a deterioration in health? I'm saying I don't think 100% meat as a diet is long term healthy, just like I don't think veganism or vegetarianism is healthy.
S. Canaday wrote:
And what are these "anti-nutrients" in vegetables/fruits exactly? Smh.
Just a quick google search.
Phytic acid, has a strong binding affinity to minerals such as calcium, magnesium, iron, copper, and zinc. This results in precipitation, making the minerals unavailable for absorption in the intestines.[2][3] Phytic acids are common in the hulls of nuts, seeds and grains and of great importance in agriculture animal nutrition and eutrophication wise due to the mineral chelation and bound phosphates released in to the environment. Without the need to use milling to reduce phytate (including nutrient),[4] the amount of phytic acid is commonly reduced in animal feeds by adding histidine acid phosphate type of phytases to them.[5]
Protease inhibitors are substances that inhibit the actions of trypsin, pepsin and other proteases in the gut, preventing the digestion and subsequent absorption of protein. For example, Bowman–Birk trypsin inhibitor is found in soybeans.[6]
Lipase inhibitors interfere with enzymes, such as human pancreatic lipase, that catalyze the hydrolysis of some lipids, including fats. For example, the anti-obesity drug orlistat causes a percentage of fat to pass through the digestive tract undigested.[7]
Amylase inhibitors prevent the action of enzymes that break the glycosidic bonds of starches and other complex carbohydrates, preventing the release of simple sugars and absorption by the body. Amylase inhibitors, like lipase inhibitors, have been used as a diet aid and obesity treatment. Amylase inhibitors are present in many types of beans; commercially available amylase inhibitors are extracted from white kidney beans.[8]
Oxalic acid and oxalates are present in many plants and in significant amounts particularly in rhubarb, tea, spinach, parsley and purslane. Oxalates bind to calcium and prevent its absorption in the human body.[9]
Glucosinolates prevent the uptake of iodine, affecting the function of the thyroid and thus are considered goitrogens. They are found in plants such as broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, mustard greens, radishes and cauliflower.[10]
Excessive intake of required nutrients can also result in them having an anti-nutrient action. Excessive intake of dietary fiber can reduce the transit time through the intestines to such a degree that other nutrients cannot be absorbed. However, this effect is often not seen in practice and reduction of absorbed minerals can be attributed mainly to the phytic acids in fibrous food.[11][12] Foods high in calcium eaten simultaneously with foods containing iron can decrease the absorption of iron via an unclear mechanism involving iron transport protein hDMT1, which calcium can inhibit.[13]
Some proteins can also be antinutrients, such as the trypsin inhibitors and lectins found in legumes. These enzyme inhibitors interfere with digestion.[14] Avidin is an antinutrient found in active form in raw egg whites. It binds very tightly to biotin (vitamin B7)[15] and can cause deficiency of B7 in animals[16] and, in extreme cases, in humans.[17]
Widespread form of antinutrients are the flavonoids, which are a group of polyphenolic compounds that include tannins.[18] These compounds chelate metals such as iron and zinc and reduce the absorption of these nutrients,[19] but they also inhibit digestive enzymes and may also precipitate proteins.[20]
Saponins in plants may act like antifeedants[21][22] and can be classified as antinutrients.[23]
YMMV wrote:
Jzs wrote:
Baker owns zero erg records at this time... Paul Jeffrey has usurped any and all records that Baker might have held briefly.
I misspoke, he is the M50+ World Champion at 500m:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX_NO2T2V3YShawn held/holds the heavyweight 100m record of 13.4 sec from 2017. I don't follow rowing, and couldn't find a link with the records, so I don't know if Jeffrey broke this record. It appears the two are the top rowers in this category.
I’ll repeat he currently owns ZERO records from 100m , 500m , 1 minute ... 40-49 or 50-59 heavyweight...
His 100m record 40-49 HW, was surpassed in 2018 with a 13.2 by Maciej Maciejewski and then tied by Noel Carey here in 2019.
The 50-59 HW record over 100m is 13.1 by Paul Jeffrey
Jzs wrote:
YMMV wrote:
I misspoke, he is the M50+ World Champion at 500m:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX_NO2T2V3YShawn held/holds the heavyweight 100m record of 13.4 sec from 2017. I don't follow rowing, and couldn't find a link with the records, so I don't know if Jeffrey broke this record. It appears the two are the top rowers in this category.
I’ll repeat he currently owns ZERO records from 100m , 500m , 1 minute ... 40-49 or 50-59 heavyweight...
His 100m record 40-49 HW, was surpassed in 2018 with a 13.2 by Maciej Maciejewski and then tied by Noel Carey here in 2019.
The 50-59 HW record over 100m is 13.1 by Paul Jeffrey
I'm crushed.
Lol, thanks for inadvertently adding to his resume of a world 500m champion and previous M50 100 record, the previousM45 100record as well. Sounds like a really marginal athlete.
YMMV wrote:
Jzs wrote:
I’ll repeat he currently owns ZERO records from 100m , 500m , 1 minute ... 40-49 or 50-59 heavyweight...
His 100m record 40-49 HW, was surpassed in 2018 with a 13.2 by Maciej Maciejewski and then tied by Noel Carey here in 2019.
The 50-59 HW record over 100m is 13.1 by Paul Jeffrey
I'm crushed.
Lol, thanks for inadvertently adding to his resume of a world 500m champion and previous M50 100 record, the previousM45 100record as well. Sounds like a really marginal athlete.
It appears that he has a few other accomplishments as well:
https://www.shawn-baker.com/aboutSOME NOTABLE ACHIEVEMENTS:
➟ Bachelor Of Arts University Of Texas At Austin - Biology 1989
➟ Doctor Of Medicine Texas Tech Health Science University - 2001 (Graduated With Honors)
➟ Completed 5 Year Orthopedic Surgical Residency - University Of Texas 2006
➟ Chief Of Orthopedics Kirtland Air Force Base
➟ Chief Of Orthopedics Luke Air Force Base
➟ Chief Of Orthopedic Trauma - Bagram Air Base, Afghanistan 2007 - 600 Surgeries
➟ Lead Surgeon Of 12 Provider Orthopaedic Surgical Group Private Practice Until 2016
➟ Nuclear Weapons Launch Officer USAF X 5 Years
➟ Distinguished Graduate US Air Force Officer Training School
➟ Nuclear Weapons Combat Commander Of The Year 90 Operation Group 1996
➟ Luke Air Force Base Air Force Athlete Of The Year 2010
➟ Semi Professional Rugby, Cambridge New Zealand (played In Waikato Premiere League And Faced Off Against Several New Zealand All Blacks)
➟ Selected All US Air Force And Combined Military Services Rugby Squads
➟ All Western USA Rugby Select Side
➟ Texas Rugby Select Side
➟ 1st Place Texas Strongest Man (300lb Class 2004)
➟ 5th Place USA Strongest Man Contest (North American Strongman Society) (300lb Class)
➟ American Record Deadlift 772lbs (350kg) Natural Association Of Strength Athletes (pure Division - Lifetime Drug Free Class) 2000
➟ Sub-master World Record Deadlift 738lbs World Association Of Benchpress AndDeadlift
➟ Masters American Record Deadlift (40+ Category) 711lb USA Powerlifting 2007
➟ Highland Games US Invitational Masters National Champion 2009
Highland Games Masters World Champion 2010
➟ USA Track And Field Masters All American Status Discus, Weight Throw, Superweight Throw 2009
➟ Set Concept 2 Indoor Rowing World Records For 1min (40+) 100m (50+),1 Min (50+), 500m
➟ All Of This Accomplished As A Life Time Drug Free Athlete
track chick wrote:
Also how the fuuck would eating a variety of unprocessed foods lead to a deterioration in health? I'm saying I don't think 100% meat as a diet is long term healthy, just like I don't think veganism or vegetarianism is healthy.
You don't understand that plants are loaded with toxic defense chemicals, and in may cases, being "unprocessed" makes them even more toxic to consume? Have you aver eaten beans or legumes raw, for instance?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2217210Abstract
The toxicological significance of exposures to synthetic chemicals is examined in the context of exposures to naturally occurring chemicals. We calculate that 99.99% (by weight) of the pesticides in the American diet are chemicals that plants produce to defend themselves. Only 52 natural pesticides have been tested in high-dose animal cancer tests, and about half (27) are rodent carcinogens; these 27 are shown to be present in many common foods. We conclude that natural and synthetic chemicals are equally likely to be positive in animal cancer tests. We also conclude that at the low doses of most human exposures the comparative hazards of synthetic pesticide residues are insignificant.
Nothing brings out the whackos on LR like a thread about diet.
YMMV is obviously obsesses with this guy and the idea of eating meat and only meat.
There is no "best diet" only the diet that works best for you.
YMMV wrote:
Note: Dr. Baker, who eats an all-meat diet, recently broke the world rowing ergometer record for 50+ year olds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw_TkbUXFrwAfter four months on a "meat first" diet, I can confirm that my gut health is as perfect as I can ever imagine. Six decades of plant-based eating with high fiber was an unending drama of gut issues.
All meat diet? All anything diet is not healthy. Surely meat can’t supply all nutrients. Vitamin C, A fiber, etc.
Plus, all his physical accomplishments are due to one type of attribute, strength at a particular age. It’s like me saying I’m the best 54 year old at the mile, mile and six meters, 9 meters etc, except he’s even more esoteric.
Pure quackery and need for attention
quickndirty wrote:
Nothing brings out the whackos on LR like a thread about diet.
YMMV is obviously obsesses with this guy and the idea of eating meat and only meat.
There is no "best diet" only the diet that works best for you.
Go to the zoo and ask them what does each animal eat. Every species has a diet they evolved to eat. Humans are no different. What is the best diet for a human being to eat? Looking at how our digestive track is different from our great ape ancestors. Looking at how primitive people are before they were ruined by Western civilization. Etc. It is clear that the best diet for a human being is meat base, with some seasonal fruits, nuts and fermented grains, maybe some root vegetables. Green leafy vegetables are for cows and other herbivores.
Can wrote:
All meat diet? All anything diet is not healthy. Surely meat can’t supply all nutrients. Vitamin C, A fiber, etc.
Liver, has lots of vitamin c and the only pre formed vitamin a is found in animals, not plants.
Can crusher wrote:
Can wrote:
All meat diet? All anything diet is not healthy. Surely meat can’t supply all nutrients. Vitamin C, A fiber, etc.
Liver, has lots of vitamin c and the only pre formed vitamin a is found in animals, not plants.
Also, fiber is not a essential nutrient.
quickndirty wrote:
Nothing brings out the whackos on LR like a thread about diet.
YMMV is obviously obsesses with this guy and the idea of eating meat and only meat.
There is no "best diet" only the diet that works best for you.
I have subscribed to Human Performance Outliers yourtube for a while but didn't realize the depth of his accomplishments until his veracity was questioned in this thread. He generally is quite humble in his presentation, as of course, Zach is as well. Anything but attention-seeking or "whacko" in my estimation. I must say I'm more impressed than ever.
As for me, I know for certain that going "meat first" and eating 80-90% animal-based has been a huge improvement over even keto, but I enjoy a few plant-based treats that don't seem to be causing issues, so no need to go full carnivore at the moment. But as I have repeatedly emphasized, this is an evolution, not a program or dogma or religion. Just a personal journey that others have been sharing as well.
You do realize that most people consider that running anything more than the minimum required for health is for "whackos", right? In that sense, I consider it as saying more about the accuser than the accused. Being truly healthy, orthopedically sound and fit in our 2019 world is just plain weird and aberrant to most people.
I do agree with your final statement (see my handle), with the caveat that there is indeed a requirement for animal products in the human diet for long-term health and fitness. We are not herbivores.
Good discussion. I am a regular listener to the podcast co-hosted by Dr. Baker and Zach Bitter and they often have guests that offer some very convincing evidence supporting a meat based diet. Also check out Dr. Gabrielle Lyons who was on a few weeks prior to Dr. Naiman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBdHjkunLSs&t=3877s
Seriously? You look up things on wikipedia as your resource.... Wow, with all these "anti-nutrients" from plants I surely will be wasting away soon...unable to absorb any vitamins/nutrients and protein. These poisonous legumes and that dang toxic spinach I've been eating (not to mention that horrible broccoli, brussel sprouts and cauliflower)! You heard it here first kids, stay away from eating these vegetables if you want to be healthy! Then we have red meat that has been classified as a class-1 carcinogen..... smh.
be a good little sheep wrote:
S. Canaday wrote:
And what are these "anti-nutrients" in vegetables/fruits exactly? Smh.
Just a quick google search.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AntinutrientPhytic acid, has a strong binding affinity to minerals such as calcium, magnesium, iron, copper, and zinc. This results in precipitation, making the minerals unavailable for absorption in the intestines.[2][3] Phytic acids are common in the hulls of nuts, seeds and grains and of great importance in agriculture animal nutrition and eutrophication wise due to the mineral chelation and bound phosphates released in to the environment. Without the need to use milling to reduce phytate (including nutrient),[4] the amount of phytic acid is commonly reduced in animal feeds by adding histidine acid phosphate type of phytases to them.[5]
Protease inhibitors are substances that inhibit the actions of trypsin, pepsin and other proteases in the gut, preventing the digestion and subsequent absorption of protein. For example, Bowman–Birk trypsin inhibitor is found in soybeans.[6]
Lipase inhibitors interfere with enzymes, such as human pancreatic lipase, that catalyze the hydrolysis of some lipids, including fats. For example, the anti-obesity drug orlistat causes a percentage of fat to pass through the digestive tract undigested.[7]
Amylase inhibitors prevent the action of enzymes that break the glycosidic bonds of starches and other complex carbohydrates, preventing the release of simple sugars and absorption by the body. Amylase inhibitors, like lipase inhibitors, have been used as a diet aid and obesity treatment. Amylase inhibitors are present in many types of beans; commercially available amylase inhibitors are extracted from white kidney beans.[8]
Oxalic acid and oxalates are present in many plants and in significant amounts particularly in rhubarb, tea, spinach, parsley and purslane. Oxalates bind to calcium and prevent its absorption in the human body.[9]
Glucosinolates prevent the uptake of iodine, affecting the function of the thyroid and thus are considered goitrogens. They are found in plants such as broccoli, brussel sprouts, cabbage, mustard greens, radishes and cauliflower.[10]
Excessive intake of required nutrients can also result in them having an anti-nutrient action. Excessive intake of dietary fiber can reduce the transit time through the intestines to such a degree that other nutrients cannot be absorbed. However, this effect is often not seen in practice and reduction of absorbed minerals can be attributed mainly to the phytic acids in fibrous food.[11][12] Foods high in calcium eaten simultaneously with foods containing iron can decrease the absorption of iron via an unclear mechanism involving iron transport protein hDMT1, which calcium can inhibit.[13]
Some proteins can also be antinutrients, such as the trypsin inhibitors and lectins found in legumes. These enzyme inhibitors interfere with digestion.[14] Avidin is an antinutrient found in active form in raw egg whites. It binds very tightly to biotin (vitamin B7)[15] and can cause deficiency of B7 in animals[16] and, in extreme cases, in humans.[17]
Widespread form of antinutrients are the flavonoids, which are a group of polyphenolic compounds that include tannins.[18] These compounds chelate metals such as iron and zinc and reduce the absorption of these nutrients,[19] but they also inhibit digestive enzymes and may also precipitate proteins.[20]
Saponins in plants may act like antifeedants[21][22] and can be classified as antinutrients.[23]
S. Canaday wrote:
Seriously? You look up things on wikipedia as your resource....
Wow, with all these "anti-nutrients" from plants I surely will be wasting away soon...unable to absorb any vitamins/nutrients and protein. These poisonous legumes and that dang toxic spinach I've been eating (not to mention that horrible broccoli, brussel sprouts and cauliflower)! You heard it here first kids, stay away from eating these vegetables if you want to be healthy!
Then we have red meat that has been classified as a class-1 carcinogen..... smh
First, on your last point. Red meat isn't classified as a class 1 carcinogen.
Second, what's wrong with Wikipedia? As long as there sources are legit. Which they usually are, I don't see a problem using Wikipedia. Do you have a problem someone looking at your Wikipedia page to do research on you?
Third, you're already wasting away. Every video I watch of you. You have brain fog and always forget what you are saying mid sentence. Something you should see in elderly people, not someone in their 30s.
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