I wonder if he can run a sub 2 800 right now? I bet he can't.
I wonder if he can run a sub 2 800 right now? I bet he can't.
Subway Surfers wrote:
Sprintgeezer wrote:
LMFAO there is absolutely no way that was 11.48, even less RT and even with the hurricane at his back.
It would be lucky if it was 12.48, and you know what? It probably wasn't even THAT fast.
This is completely ridiculous. COMPLETELY.
There is no way he just ran 11:48
Jesus did you read anything or watch the video? Two step running start, huge tail wind, no reaction time. All of that probably accounts for a full second.
He recently ran a 2:25 800m in trainers, on a trail. He said it was all-out, but it looked like jogging. So he was probably in 2:15 shape.
Let's not over think it yet.
He claims that he will enter some races, so those will yield proper times.
Meanwhile at least he is doing something different and interesting and somewhat openly.
I wouldn't want to be on the hook for weekly videos towards my goals...
I have follow-up questions:
1) Was he chewing rungum just before/during the 100m?
2) Did this take place on the top of everest? What's the deal with that plan?
Yes, my bigger complaint is that there is no real 100m training mixed into the rungum ads.
I want to see all the 20m flys etc.
Nick Symmonds responds to this thread
Got to hand it to him.
NICK: Great response, now post some bread and butter sprint workouts!
Sprintgeezer wrote:
I have many times variously thought I was faster than I was. All the time, in fact. And many were supported by various types of timing devices, often operated by real coaches.
You sound like a few guys I ran with. They always choked at race time too. Coach had a sports psychiatrist come in and work with them a bit. One guy definitely performed better right away. Other guy did a little better but was always plagued by inconsistency.
Powergeezer wrote:
Got to hand it to him.
NICK: Great response, now post some bread and butter sprint workouts!
I agree, it would be good to see some real sprint training already though I think he was injured for a while
Welcome to the 100m, Nick. I guessed 11.8-12.2 basic FAT from blocks after some training, and we will see. If you are taking this remotely seriously, I will give you 11.4-11.8 basic FAT from blocks.
I know what your freelap said, and I know how much your associated hand timing is worth. I do not suggest fraud, only novice enthusiasm. You may be able to guess your 800 time very closely, but the 100m is different.
Like I said, I wish you all the luck in the world, yours is a great effort, and sub-11 is a great goal. Beats me why more people don’t try the 100m.
Oh and Nick, the most important thing is to stay uninjured. The 100 is not the 800, be careful. Do not try to “push through” workouts, and never work out fatigued.
Drainthefecesswamp wrote:
You're suggesting he faked the free lap data? Why would he do that? Let's be honest, 11.48 without the reaction time isnt somethint to brag about, so why would he fake it?
No I do not suggest that he faked it, I believe that is the time the freelap showed. What I was responding to was the thread title “11.48 unofficial “. Unofficial is one thing, this was another thing, less than unofficial. There is FAT with proper wind gauge, and there is everything else. When I talk times, I talk FAT only, all else is suggestion at best, and chimera at worst.
Like I said, I wish him all the luck in the world. Only he, Farah, and a select few others have even dared to do some competition 100m, and Symmonds is doing it FAT, which already deserves respect. You will never see the world’s best 100m guys compete in a real 800m race.
That is a possibility, but others I know have had the same experience, and they weren’t chokers.
With these timing systems, it’s not the time that’s important, it is the feedback you get from a consistent setup, which gives you some longitudinal information so that you can track changes.
Freelap timing systems have a 80 cm detection radius meaning if you put the first transmitter at 1 meter you will get about 20 centimeters before it starts. It will start before you pass the transmitter.I use a full 1 meter fly in with the freelap sometimes so that the first transmitter is 1.8 meters ahead of the back of my front foot and the the difference is .25 seconds vs using the freelap touch pad. He set it up at 1 meter I would doubt it would subtract less than .12 of his time. Add decent rt of .15+ .12 for the timing system to 11.48 and you get a 11.75 with admittedly illegal wind. He is most likely 11.9X shape at this point if he gets some competence in the blocks and a strong but legal wind.
Long way from 10.99 but a good start for someone who doesn't have the form of a sprinter. He has a tone of room for improvement both from a technical/ a physiological point of view if he is fully committed to improving over the next couple years.I'm not saying he will run 10.99 and it definitely won't be this year but specific specific will help him improve a lot from where he is now.
Finally, a decent analysis, even though the RT might be optimistic.
IMO 10.99 wind-legal FAT from blocks is out of the question.
Will be great to see what he actually does, if he can stay uninjured.
Does he have any real FAT 100m marks from HS? Surely he must have tried it at some point.
He was a distance runner in HS and even if so, some random high school dual meet from 1999 isn't going to turn up online results and would have been hand timed
ROJO, or WEJO or web guy:
please make this the quote of the day:
"Alright Sprintgeezer, I think you're ridiculous."
-Nick Symmonds
What I said was ridiculous was letsrunners believing that was an 11.4 100m. And it is.
Like I said, the proof will be in the pudding. I will be happy to be proven wrong. Until then, everything is fair game.
others competent at video analysis can confirm that Nick and his friend start moving at 2:56.19 of this 30fps video. Even generously timing from when Nick's toe first clearly crosses the line at frame 23, his torso crosses the finish line at 3:08.19 - not at 3:08.17 where the timer stops at the moment his left foot strikes at least 1 meter from the line (I won't get into how late it started). This is, generously, 11 seconds and 26 frames (11.87) and really it's 12.00 or 12:03.
Not knowing how Freelap works I won't speculate on how it erred. Symmonds' torso does get from the yellow cone to the finish in just under 11.50.
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