Boulder is overrated. I want to move.

Pizzeria Locale? Please I don't want to cut my own pizza.

Or Hollywood

You don't know Him.

Chicago's Best Pizza

Snarf Burger (not that great) wrote:

Everyone talks about how the winters here are mild. Not really true. If it's not freezing and you get a warm day here, the WIND BLOWS 40-60mph. I looked this up, Boulder is one of the windiest cities in the US. I've never had to run on a treadmill because it was too windy until I came here. Try doing a track workout in 25mph sustained winds, nightmare.

who would've thought that a city right next to a bunch of mountains would be windy???? geography 101 bro. and if you're complaining about it being in the 40s for more than 50% of the winter then you're so soft. we've had maybe, what,

Somehow Cali Pizza Kitchen is still around.

Snarf Burger (not that great) wrote:

If it's not freezing and you get a warm day here, the WIND BLOWS 40-60mph. I looked this up, Boulder is one of the windiest cities in the US. I've never had to run on a treadmill because it was too windy until I came here. Try doing a track workout in 25mph sustained winds, nightmare.

Looks like it was strong enough to blow a shitton of sand right up your vag.

Ofvkugh wrote:

great group runs, food, beer, well maintained bike paths and trails to get around town

I may be behind the times, but is it hard to find food and beer in most parts of the country? I think that stuff has spread far and wide now. It reaches at least as far south as the Springs, I can vouch for that.

The "group runs" and paths are also universal features of American towns of a certain size. In most cities, they are less utilized and therefore more pleasant. Your best hope is to go someplace filled with obese people that installs a greenway network as part of some kind of grand fitness initiative, only to see the obese people stay inside while the trails are used only by wildlife and the occasional anorexic teenager.

I don't think Boco's the right scene for everyone. You head there as a 29:00-30:00 10K guy out of college figuring it's worth spending a year or two sniffing out Olympic Trials potential, which is certainly true. But then you discover that you are maybe being coached by someone who doesn't really care about you despite your decent talent level because he's busy trying to develop the multiple clones of you who are already in the group, plus whatever women are around. Then you change groups because of some uncalled-for sexual escapades that have nothing to do with you but make the situation uncomfortable on top of the questionable coaching. So you you end up in some other, similar group where people tend to race each other in practice like it's 10th grade all over again. You may also discover along the way that high altitude's not for everyone, especially those who like being by a large body of water, and that maybe the groups getting by in Oregon and Michigan and California and New England at or near sea level might be on target after all.

The weather is actually quite amazing, so much sunshine that when you move back to wherever you came from in 2-3 years, you will think it's extremely gray and nasty even if that's just normal and not Pacific Northwest-ish.

It worked for Frank Shorter! That's not you, now, is it?

Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:

It worked for Frank Shorter! That's not you, now, is it?

He believe he went to Florida a lot during the Winter, if I am recalling correctly.

Creek Path Hero wrote:

It's not overpriced if you enjoy it. Blackbelly's house hot sauce flavor is lacking. I prefer Half Fast Subs better than Salvaggio's, tho finding parking on the Hill means I rarely go. Maybe should bike over there on a sunny day.

Used to go Cosmos and then Abos for pizza, tried Audrey Jane's Pizza Garage and didn't find it worth the price. I do miss Jalinos but not Beau Jo's. Locale is alright, but the Denver locations are better.

Was Jalino's the one by Boulder High? I'm pretty sure that's where my roommates bought their weed. I thought Boulder Locale's appeal was that they shared the wine cellar with Frasca. Their pizza never hit it out of the park with me, and it's been several years since I've been there.

I think my main go-to restaurants in Boulder now are the Mountain Sun and Southern Sun. Always good food, good service, and good beer at a reasonable price.

As far as criticisms, we're about to enter Bolder Boulder training season. Expect groups of approximately 100 runners to be clogging up every popular running trail from now until Memorial Day.

the hell man wrote:

Who the hell refuses a tech job in Bay Area. If you can earn enough to afford living like a decent person over there - and tech jobs are some of the few that can - rest of the drawbacks are really minor, just so that you have something to beatch about on the web

Someone with ethics, a moral center, or maybe just anyone who has experience with what it means to exist without staring at a screen for 40 years.

Runn3 wrote:

Americans who can't break 2:10 wrote:

It worked for Frank Shorter! That's not you, now, is it?

He believe he went to Florida a lot during the Winter, if I am recalling correctly.

Nope, he was in Gainesville first (law school), then moved to Boulder and stayed there.

Not sure of your predilections but come the fxck east. Louisville, Richmond, Raleigh, Nashville, Baltimore. All are half in decay or otherwise fxcked but at least you would be part of something realer than a massive number of white come-here's doing their Rocky Mountain thing.

Yes, Jalino's is now Brooklyn (?) Pizza. Haven't been in. The Suns are prime, but I have to be judicious when I go so it doesn't require an hour wait for a table. Also dig Under the Sun for same beer but a slightly nicer menu. Ditto Bru, in east Boulder.

On top of the training group swarms overrunning popular trails, there's now a Parkrun every Saturday on Bobolink which is annoying. Wish they'd do it at a less popular trail or on a paved path.

Chief Niwot wrote:

Centaur wrote:

I dont mind the wind but sometimes the drastic weather changes take their toll on me. Last night we were freezing but by 3pm today we were maybe in the 50s?

The part about Boulder that does suck for runners is how populated the trail scene is given that's what we all inherently want to do. Parking lots fill up by the early AM which is annoying. Went to the Boulder Canyon outskirts today because I didnt feel like driving to the foothills after seeing what Dry Creek was like on the way home. Out in the Canyon area it is very hard to relax and get in the zone when the mountains are consistently heavy with both car and foot traffic. I would say that for an outsider the amount of traffic does not fit the scenery at all.

The curse abides.

Just live in Boulder instead of driving there so you can run a short bit to the trailheads and so that you don’t have to fill up the parking lot spaces with your trailer bed like vehicle like a fvcktard.

Snarf wrote:

Boulder County resident wrote:

I agree with a lot of what’s been posted here. Boulder has pluses and minuses like anywhere else.

Except... what is with all of the complaining about wind? Boulder definitely gets some wind off of the plains and when a front is coming in. But it is really not a windy place. Try Minnesota or Illinois in the spring!

Anyway, if you can find the place with great year round weather and plenty of good work opportunities and lots of running trails and minimal traffic/great transit and affordable housing— move there and never tell anyone about it. Good luck!

NO WAY you are a resident and just said that. The wind blows from the west when it's windy, not the plains. WIND STORMS. They are real.

Fair enough. I live in East County, and we get most of our wind off the plains. We seem to only get west winds when there is a storm coming in, which is similar to just about everywhere else I’ve lived. But I did look up wind events in Boulder proper and there are more than I would have thought. To me it doesn’t compare to the constant 20-30 mph winds on too many Midwest winter days.

I like running here but I’m not trying to do anything than stay in shape and maybe run some competitive masters times. No one ever believes this, but the #1 place I’ve ever lived for running is New York City. If you can afford to live less than a few subway stops from Central Park and have a job that leaves you with some free time to train (a big if), you can’t beat it. You can run a 10k loop that doesn’t really get old, run 18+ miles on the Hudson River path, jump into a group workout almost any weeknight, drive 40 minutes to Rockefeller for a huge trail complex, and you have tons of great opportunities for fast and competitive races in XC, indoor/outdoor track, and on the roads from 1 mile to the marathon without traveling more than 30 minutes. Summers are awesome, falls are spectacular, and winters are much better than in the rest of the northeast. Spring is longer than it is in Boston or Vermont or wherever. I have not found anywhere that matches those opportunities for high quality training and racing. I think training in Boulder is awesome; racing opportunities are limited.

I see way more people walking dogs 4-5 abreast with e-bikes blazing by than people training for a BolderBoulder. I also have to jump over a couple dog leashes during tempo run

Denver sucks worse. I’ll head out on Cherry Creek or Platte bike path and hear “on your left” with some bell sh*t every 20secs

Try Denver, OP.

Maybe you're just a big-city person. No shame in that.