Did anyone notice the fastest W600 qualifier was HS Jr Athing Mu, who ran a blistering 1:26.23 (HS national record?). That is equivalent to a 2:00.x
Did anyone notice the fastest W600 qualifier was HS Jr Athing Mu, who ran a blistering 1:26.23 (HS national record?). That is equivalent to a 2:00.x
kmaclam wrote:
ShipYard wrote:
Hunter 8:25.29 2 mile with 4:17, 4:08 splits. Probably not enough to seriously affect the top heat, but not bad at all.
Well, sorry for the backhanded compliment, but you were spot on....His meet record did not seriously affect the top heat.
example
existing meet record from 2018 is 4:00.00
three runners run sub 4:00.00 in 2019
they all break the existing meet record
one of them wins the event and becomes the new meet record holder
Maybe not ` wrote:
Yeahh wrote:
Houlihan totally let Colleen have [win] that one. Colleen’s fast but not Shelby fast
A 60 flat last 400 on an indoor track is quite good.
Definitely short. What you're failing to appreciate is the fact that she turned early at the fish shop.
blooooood dragon wrote:
sanchobaile wrote:
Did Craig Masback seriously just suggest Drew Hunter CHOSE to run the slow heat? Oh god and now Johnson actually asked him if it was his strategy. Clueless.
You ralize that J. Gault asked the same stupid question on twitter. and he supposably covers the sport.
What the hell are you talking about? I never asked that question.
Part of the reason Drew won...Karma! wrote:
Also, Jonathan, will you and the staff do an article debating whether yall feel that yall are ALWAYS right about how athletes should never forego the NCAA? Yall seem extremely short isighted in yall's view toward athletes foregoing the NCAA when sometimes it is in their better interest.
I believe Drew sticking with Tom, and also taking what is rumored to be a ten year, 5 million contract with his education paid for was DEFINITELY the better move. I know that my father would have advised me to go the Adidas route on that one at 18/19 years old.
When have we ever taken the position that skipping the NCAA is always wrong?
When Hunter went pro I thought it was the right decision, mainly because I heard he was getting a ton of money. If he's getting offered 10 years/$5 million as an 18-year-old kid out of HS, he'd be a fool not to take that (I don't know if it was actually that much, but I heard it was a significant amount). There isn't much money in our sport and I would never blame an athlete for cashing in when they can.
Dril wrote: You can’t break the MR record and lose. It’s logically impossible lol. The guy you lost to would have the record.
you could theoretically break the MR in a heat and then DNF the final. I don't know of it ever happening, and certainly not indoors, but it is at least theoretically possible.
cheers.
progression of US Indoor Championship 2 miles best performance
name / mark / venue / meet / date
George Bonhag (USA) 9:39.20i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 09 Nov 1906
Michael Driscoll (USA) 9:28.40i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 30 Nov 1908
George Bonhag (USA) 9:20.80i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 26 Oct 1911
William Kramer (USA) 9:19.20i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 06 Mar 1913
Harry Smith (USA) 9:18.00i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 02 Mar 1914
Joseph Ray (USA) 9:10.40i 1 Buffalo, NY AAU Indoor Championship 17 Feb 1923
Paavo Nurmi (FIN) 9:09.60i 1 Louisville, KY AAU Indoor Championship 28 Feb 1925
Edvin Wide (SWE) 9:07.00i 1 New York, NY AAU Indoor Championship 23 Feb 1929
Ryan Hill (USA) 8:26.72i 1 Boston, MA USA Indoor Championship 28 Feb 2015
Andrew Hunter (USA) 8:25.29i 1 New York, NY USA Indoor Championship 23 Feb 2019
note:
the championship was held over 2 miles from 1906 to 1931, except for 1912 when the meet was not held.
in 1932 the championship was held over 3 miles...
1933 - 1939 over 5000m - best performance 14:30.9i Don Lash (USA) 25 Feb 1939
1940 - 1986 over 3 miles - best performance 12:57.15i Doug Padilla (USA) 22 Feb 1985
1987 - 2014 over 3000m - best performance 7:42.81i Moses Kiptanui (KEN) 05 Mar 1994
cotton shirt wrote:
Dril wrote: You can’t break the MR record and lose. It’s logically impossible lol. The guy you lost to would have the record.
you could theoretically break the MR in a heat and then DNF the final. I don't know of it ever happening, and certainly not indoors, but it is at least theoretically possible.
cheers.
I know that at least one of our state high school records is from the prelims. Don't know if that runner lost the finals without looking it up, but it would be possible.
Dril wrote: You can’t break the MR record and lose. It’s logically impossible lol. The guy you lost to would have the record.
... and there is of course that one time when Lou Jones got the WR when finishing 2nd because Lee Evans, who won the race, was wearing the wrong kind of spikes so his record claim was not allowed. that was at the US Olympic Trials at Echo Summit in 1968.
cheers.
7667ty wrote:
Raare wrote:
It seems Bowerman bought up Kate Grace just to keep her from being relevant
ouch. It does seem like Kate has floundered a bit at BTC....
I'm not sure that's fair to Kate. Since her breakthrough year in 2016, she's been pretty consistent. She's medaled at USAs, and done well at a few second-tier races, but she's struggled in the big-time races. Her best race was at the Trials, and that race was such a clusterf**k, it's hard to know what to make of her win there.
existing meet records last until the new results get approved wrote:
kmaclam wrote:
Well, sorry for the backhanded compliment, but you were spot on....His meet record did not seriously affect the top heat.
example
existing meet record from 2018 is 4:00.00
three runners run sub 4:00.00 in 2019
they all break the existing meet record
one of them wins the event and becomes the new meet record holder
Nope. By the time the second place dude “breaks” the record the first place dude already finished and has created a new record. Runners 2 and 3 never break the record. The do run faster than the old record but neither of them are ever meet record holders.
Dril wrote:
existing meet records last until the new results get approved wrote:
example
existing meet record from 2018 is 4:00.00
three runners run sub 4:00.00 in 2019
they all break the existing meet record
one of them wins the event and becomes the new meet record holder
Nope. By the time the second place dude “breaks” the record the first place dude already finished and has created a new record. Runners 2 and 3 never break the record. The do run faster than the old record but neither of them are ever meet record holders.
Example - Drew Hunter breaks the meet record in the slow heat. 2 hrs later, his meet record is broken in the fast heat. Why is this even a discussion? It’s clearly possible and could’ve easily happened. I’m glad it didn’t.
Anyways, incredible run for Mu. I can’t wait to see her duke it out with Rogers in the final.
7667ty wrote:
Raare wrote:
It seems Bowerman bought up Kate Grace just to keep her from being relevant
ouch. It does seem like Kate has floundered a bit at BTC, which is a shame, because I think she's one of the smartest and grittiest athletes out there. Total guess, but maybe she flourishes better in a smaller training group - she's mentioned she's pretty camera shy, and BTC seems to be all about the large groups and lots of cameras...everywhere.
You’re right about the large group, but lots of cameras? BTC is one of the most secretive groups in the USA running scene. How many Flotrack workout Wednesdays are there from BTC? Basically 0. Even NOP films some workouts.
ACC and SEC conference meets more exciting than this rando snoozefest.
7667ty wrote:
Raare wrote:
It seems Bowerman bought up Kate Grace just to keep her from being relevant
ouch. It does seem like Kate has floundered a bit at BTC, which is a shame, because I think she's one of the smartest and grittiest athletes out there. Total guess, but maybe she flourishes better in a smaller training group - she's mentioned she's pretty camera shy, and BTC seems to be all about the large groups and lots of cameras...everywhere.
For the record, right before she joined Bowerman she wasn't running well either. She's had a good last year.
Was it really 2 hours later when the 2nd heat ran last night? Reading up on this today and just assumed the 2nd Heat was immediate after the first. I mean, it was bad enough when I thought those guys found out the time they needed to beat (and subsequently went out much too slow to do so) right before they stepped up to the starting line. But having 2 hours to prepare and still fail so epically? Bush League. Worse, Busch Light League.
NEW DAY NEW STORIES
FTW
Fantastic second half for Starlipper, 9:58 for 2 miles for 7th
DumpsterDiver wrote:
Fantastic second half for Starlipper, 9:58 for 2 miles for 7th
Yeah, great pacing, closed in 70. Good for her. Great decision to race here instead of the PA indoor meet, where I believe the winner of the 3,000 only ran 9:56.
Anyone know where that ranks her all-time on the HS 2-mile list? I'm pretty sure top 5.
It’s number 5 all time - Tuohy’s 9:58 high was number 5, but now Starliper’s knocked it down one.
RIP: D3 All-American Frank Csorba - who ran 13:56 in March - dead
RENATO can you talk about the preparation of Emile Cairess 2:06
Running for Bowerman Track Club used to be cool now its embarrassing
Hats off to my dad. He just ran a 1:42 Half Marathon and turns 75 in 2 months!
Great interview with Steve Cram - says Jakob has no chance of WRs this year