Eliud Kipchoge's workout this morning, 9 weeks before London Marathon. Stronger than prior to Berlin?

Hdjdjdjj wrote:

hmmmmmm wrote:

Been hearing from people closer to the camp that the data on this thread is not actually true.

If this whole thread is a lie this is the best troll job in the history of letsrun.

You've got to be freaking kidding me

NN’s physio, Marc Roig, ays he’s the only mzungo at the track for some of these sessions, and that some are incorrect:

https://twitter.com/marcroigtio/status/1117783946182516736?s=21

Mzungo in Iten, what have ye say to Marc Roig?

Perhaps - plot twist - Mzungo in Iten is Marc Roig!

Regardless, the info shared by Mzungo in Iten here is:

if completely accurate, spectacular and beautiful,

if partially accurate and informed by observation/firsthand knowledge, still wonderful and helpful

if completely falsified, an impressive and well-researched piece of historical fiction.

Great stuff, regardless

Burnsy wrote:

NN’s physio, Marc Roig, ays he’s the only mzungo at the track for some of these sessions, and that some are incorrect:

https://twitter.com/marcroigtio/status/1117783946182516736?s=21

Mzungo in Iten, what have ye say to Marc Roig?

Perhaps - plot twist - Mzungo in Iten is Marc Roig!

Regardless, the info shared by Mzungo in Iten here is:

if completely accurate, spectacular and beautiful,

if partially accurate and informed by observation/firsthand knowledge, still wonderful and helpful

if completely falsified, an impressive and well-researched piece of historical fiction.

Great stuff, regardless

As far as i'm aware most of the training sessions are pretty accurate. However, i wasn't there in person during this build-up as Marc says and i've received the information from fellow european, member of nn running team.

Whilst reporting these sessions second hand, there can be a few differences or info lost along the way, but i'm pretty sure they are not far-fetched at all from reality.

I'll continue report and release the info i get, so Marc can feel free to share his part and correct me if i'm wrong. This way we can also see where is the issue if there is one! Meanwhile, 11 days left until London!

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

As far as i'm aware most of the training sessions are pretty accurate. However, i wasn't there in person during this build-up as Marc says and i've received the information from fellow european, member of nn running team.

So now the question is, who's the "fellow european, member of nn running team"?

Guess we'll get there in the end. wrote:

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

As far as i'm aware most of the training sessions are pretty accurate. However, i wasn't there in person during this build-up as Marc says and i've received the information from fellow european, member of nn running team.

So now the question is, who's the "fellow european, member of nn running team"?

He must have a photographic memory to pass on some of those training sessions and times so accurately to the second.

"Luke Banks@LicasBanks

Apr 15

But the information on workouts he posts is inaccurate?"

"Marc Roig Tió @marcroigtio

Replying to @LicasBanks @TStellingwerff @EliudKipchoge

Usually yes. That's why I tell you that he should contact me. He is not in the track (as long as he is mzungu, since I am the only one there). He might hear noises from somebody else and publish whatever he things is right, but rarely true.

6:37 AM - 15 Apr 2019"

https://twitter.com/marcroigtio/status/1117783946182516736?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.letsrun.com%2Fforum%2Fflat_read.php%3Fthread%3D9261485%26page%3D14

Hdjdjdjj wrote:

hmmmmmm wrote:

Been hearing from people closer to the camp that the data on this thread is not actually true.

If this whole thread is a lie this is the best troll job in the history of letsrun.

Naa! I think the workouts reported looks okey up to what my runner reported to me after he used to train with Kipchoges group last season.

How would a physio have any clue what they're running.

I appreciate the updates. Please keep them coming. Thanks.

SUPERIOR COACH JS wrote:

Hdjdjdjj wrote:

If this whole thread is a lie this is the best troll job in the history of letsrun.

Naa! I think the workouts reported looks okey up to what my runner reported to me after he used to train with Kipchoges group last season.

I think it`s same situation with " Mzungu in Iten " now and he`s getting info from a runner being in the group or another Kenyan insider. No one suspect me to be "Mzungu in Iten" , LoL ))) … I could have been , but I`m not. ))

Sceptical runner wrote:

How would a physio have any clue what they're running.

I appreciate the updates. Please keep them coming. Thanks.

+ 1! A good thought I think. ))

Sceptical runner wrote:

How would a physio have any clue what they're running.

Because he's also an athlete...

Anyone who doesn't like this thread, feel free to bugger off and go start your own threads about training.

Mzungu in Iten, thank you very much for your helpful postings about Kipchoge's training.

I am looking forward to more of them. Best regards to you.

dunes runner wrote:

Anyone who doesn't like this thread, feel free to bugger off and go start your own threads about training.

Mzungu in Iten, thank you very much for your helpful postings about Kipchoge's training.

I am looking forward to more of them. Best regards to you.

This thread isn't just about training per se, it's about Eliud Kipchoge's training leading in to London, and a reliable on the spot source has indicated that Mzungu in Iten may be posting "whatever he things is right, but rarely true".

Reporting accuracy is vital if I am to follow the same routine as EK in the not to distant future.

I don’t think any of us here don’t like the thread. We’re just hoping the workouts posted are the same as the ones Kipchoge is running. We’re here, enjoying it nonetheless. Mzungo, thanks for your posts!

I think there are two different ways in which Mzungo could be wrong/"rarely true" in his workout reports:

1) The splits he reports for EK could be inaccurate (this seems more likely)

2) The workouts themselves could be reported incorrectly (eg: he reports 10 x 1k with 2:00 recoveries, but they actually ran 6 x2k)

The second one seems less likely to me, and would be more troubling if true... the thread doesn't have much value if the actual information serving as its foundation is fabricated.

Still, would be a great troll.

Mzungo, can you comment on how confident you are in the information you have presented? Personally, I don't think he needs 100% confidence in all of the info for it to be a valuable and appreciated insight into an elite training camp about which we would otherwise hear close to nothing.

PCTfkt wrote:

I think there are two different ways in which Mzungo could be wrong/"rarely true" in his workout reports:

1) The splits he reports for EK could be inaccurate (this seems more likely)

2) The workouts themselves could be reported incorrectly (eg: he reports 10 x 1k with 2:00 recoveries, but they actually ran 6 x2k)

The second one seems less likely to me, and would be more troubling if true... the thread doesn't have much value if the actual information serving as its foundation is fabricated.

Still, would be a great troll.

Mzungo, can you comment on how confident you are in the information you have presented? Personally, I don't think he needs 100% confidence in all of the info for it to be a valuable and appreciated insight into an elite training camp about which we would otherwise hear close to nothing.

I have to say that some of these workouts are 100% true as my source even sent me some photos of the notebook the assistant coach of the group uses. As for the other ones, i don't see any reason why he would lie or make up any of these workouts. True, they might not be 100% accurate, to the second, however not even gps watches are, so the point is moot.

I wasn't there so i can only trust the source, but if Marc knows something happened differently, i encourage him to make it public and share his point of view, as it would only benefit the world of running. In my opinion, considering the western mentality, it's hard to accept and make some details public of your work so others won't be able to gain from your experience. Probably by instinct he just dismissed the fact the group's (and his) work are public while others' is not.

To end this, i want to say i have confidence in my source and i'm open to anything and not accusing him or Marc or anyone, i'm sure Sang and Eliud wouldn't be reluctant to this, so if anything happened differently, he can share his thoughts with us!

The following is the run reported for today. It was the last long progression run of this build-up! Only a workout on saturday left!

Thu, 18.04.2019

AM : 30km long progression run in 1h36min. ( undulating dirt road) + 2km wu/cd in around 10min each

5km splits: 17'24 / 16'46 / 16'27 / 15'50 / 15'03 / 14'45

PM : Rest

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Day's total 34km, altitude 2200m . Weather : AM +17C, sunny

Mzungu in Iten wrote:

I watched a lot of today's marathons and i want to share with you that this summer i really want to get underway my long-term plan to create a new running team and a training group with some other members, coaches, staff, etc in Iten or Kaptagat. I'm currently working on it and it seems like it will be in partnership with the NN Running Team and Global Sports Communication.

For the moment i'm only looking for the final details of the plan and apply for some sponsorship and sign with some athletes (5-10 at first would be enough) .

So this thread went well for a long time until Mzungu revealed his plan to start his own group. Now he's being called out for posting wrong workouts etc. Is someone trying to scupper his plan because of jealousy, or because they are upset with him trying to launch his group on the back of Sang and Eliud's success?

I will finish this thread off and say there is a lot of jealousy , corruption and so on connected to the biggest managements in Kenya. To reveal that you will start your own group, even if it will be in partnership with the big managements , is not seen with gentle eyes from many connected to the big elephants.

Mzungu coach wrote:

All went well until Mzungu revealed his plan wrote:

So this thread went well for a long time until Mzungu revealed his plan to start his own group. Now he's being called out for posting wrong workouts etc. Is someone trying to scupper his plan because of jealousy, or because they are upset with him trying to launch his group on the back of Sang and Eliud's success?

I will finish this thread off and say there is a lot of jealousy , corruption and so on connected to the biggest managements in Kenya. To reveal that you will start your own group, even if it will be in partnership with the big managements , is not seen with gentle eyes from many connected to the big elephants.

I've always been nice to all the big stables in Kenya and Europe. I've always tried to help and been a liaison between them and organisers/officials a lot of times. Helped with different research and studies funded by big european universities, etc..

My intention with the group is to give youth a chance to shine and develop in the correct way, with the correct mentality, to get them as good as an athlete as they can and also educate them and give a better overview of life. My group would never be about making fortunes or be a world-influencing force, so it's not like i want rivalries or direct competitions with other stables, but it is what it is, i just try not to get adsorbed in this malice or how you want to call it. Maybe there are people who want to drag me and others down, to bring us a bad reputation or such, but i couldn't care less.

I'll go on with my business, promote transparency and share my insight and knowledge. Maybe i'm naive but i want to believe in this way of doing and promoting athletics!

This was today's latest reported workout of Kipchoge prior to London Marathon!

Sat, 20.04.2019

AM Track: 3km warm-up(15min) + 5k-3k-2k-1k w/5'-3'-2'-1' recovery + 4x200m w/200m jog recovery + 3km cool-down(15min) . Total : 21km in 1h18min

Splits: 14'23 / 8'34 / 5'39 / 2'44

5'-3'-2'-1' recovery (around 5'/km pace)

Flying 200m repetitions ( 28"-28"-27"-26") with 200m jog recovery (5'/km pace)

PM : Rest

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Day's total 21km, altitude 2200m . Weather : AM +17C, partly cloudy

Officially in shape! Last workout before the London Marathon! 8 days to go!