So what you’re saying is you’re a John and your escort told you what you wanted to hear. Even at that, a 50/50 proposition isn’t good.
So what you’re saying is you’re a John and your escort told you what you wanted to hear. Even at that, a 50/50 proposition isn’t good.
Manboob wrote:
coldplay wrote:
It was full service, not a handjob. And you might not realize it, but sex with a minor being held against her will is kind of a big deal.
Did you actually read the case? It in fact was a hand job and there were no minors involved.
FMD, you people who spoil a good story with the truth really piss me off.
What a sad sordid life wrote:
[quote]George Gilder wrote:
[quote]DeBron Lames wrote:
Yeah, keep patting yourself on your back Mr. Enlightenment. You are just soooooo hip and cool and modern.
I am actually an unenlightened reactionary who believes in the differences between the sexes. I have written entire books about the crucial role of marriage and monogamy in civilization. But I don't believe in media prurience and puritanical pillories.
SJW, leftie, #MeToo, morally, intellectualy, superior person. wrote:
Manboob wrote:
Did you actually read the case? It in fact was a hand job and there were no minors involved.
FMD, you people who spoil a good story with the truth really piss me off.
Was his weird son watching this act ?
George Gilder wrote:
killermike wrote:
[quote]was he though??? wrote:
[quote]killermike wrote:
There's nothing wrong with getting your dick massaged. What is wrong is doing that with a victim of human trafficking. That is what makes Kraft's crime significantly worse.
Kraft did not do any putative "trafficking" that was done, so pillorying him is merely publicity chasing. But "trafficking" and the rest of the pileup of silly charges all imply that people offering services all over all the cities of the modern world can somehow be controlled and forced to commit acts against their will, all while being paid billions in tips and at the same time informing their customers of their age and illegality.
Big government feeds on making everybody a criminal. Noosing the super bowl winner for chasing happy endings at age 77 is a gigantic publicity coup for frothing puritan feminists. That's all it is.
Freud says you are over age 60, maybe over age 70. You liked it better 40 or 50 years ago when only the girls/women and pimps were arrested. In your salad days, all the male customers were let go without criminal charges. You do not prefer women in a relationship. You prefer the quick transaction. How am I doing? Tell me what I stated incorrectly.
Hey liberals have been trying to legalize it for decades but the purity police / moral majority GOP will have none of it.
Drainthefecesswamp wrote:
[quote]Could be more wrote:
If they just legalized it, then they could require oversight and make a significant dent in human trafficking. They try to provide amnesty to the girls now to get them to talk and expose the trafficking operations, but they're afraid to open up still.
"How am I doing?"
Basically, not very well, in fact, you're showing yourself to be an idiot.
If the Freud you mention is Sigmund, then he can't say GG is "over age 60, maybe over age 70", as he died in 1939. As for the rest, pure speculation and pulling stuff from your arse.
Also, you may not have noticed, but the posters here are anonymous, so you're pissing in to the wind if you think you can profile them.
As mentioned, you're an idiot.
You're doing fecking hopeless. wrote:
"How am I doing?"
Basically, not very well, in fact, you're showing yourself to be an idiot.
If the Freud you mention is Sigmund, then he can't say GG is "over age 60, maybe over age 70", as he died in 1939. As for the rest, pure speculation and pulling stuff from your arse.
Also, you may not have noticed, but the posters here are anonymous, so you're pissing in to the wind if you think you can profile them.
As mentioned, you're an idiot.
I was stating the poster is over age 60. Are you the poster responding to me or a friend of the poster? Why does the Kraft warrant for arrest upset you? Are you upset for the women or are you upset for the men with warrants for their arrests?
Social Sciences wrote:
You're doing fecking hopeless. wrote:
"How am I doing?"
Basically, not very well, in fact, you're showing yourself to be an idiot.
If the Freud you mention is Sigmund, then he can't say GG is "over age 60, maybe over age 70", as he died in 1939. As for the rest, pure speculation and pulling stuff from your arse.
Also, you may not have noticed, but the posters here are anonymous, so you're pissing in to the wind if you think you can profile them.
As mentioned, you're an idiot.
I was stating the poster is over age 60. Are you the poster responding to me or a friend of the poster? Why does the Kraft warrant for arrest upset you? Are you upset for the women or are you upset for the men with warrants for their arrests?
"I was stating the poster is over age 60." - No you weren't.
"Are you the poster responding to me or a friend of the poster?" - No.
"Why does the Kraft warrant for arrest upset you?" - It doesn't.
"Are you upset for the women or are you upset for the men with warrants for their arrests?" - Neither.
Freud says you are over age 60, maybe over age 70. You liked it better 40 or 50 years ago when only the girls/women and pimps were arrested. In your salad days, all the male customers were let go without criminal charges. You do not prefer women in a relationship. You prefer the quick transaction. How am I doing? Tell me what I stated incorrectly.[/quote]
Gosh, are you psychic? I'm 79 years old, still running half marathons. But otherwise you are not doing so well. I am author of 20 books, including four on the relations between the sexes, summed up in Men and Marriage , which is still in print and makes the case for monogamous marriage as the key foundation of civilized life. However, I show that marriage depends on respecting the profound differences between the sexes. If you are interested in psychoanalyzing me, you had better read it rather than jump to silly conclusions about my 45 years of marriage.
George Gilder wrote:
Gosh, are you psychic?
Nah, Google is my friend.
joedirt wrote:
So what you’re saying is you’re a John and your escort told you what you wanted to hear. Even at that, a 50/50 proposition isn’t good.
Nope, that isn't what I said. Perhaps you have reading problems. Here is what I actually said:
"Nope. Obviously things like addiction and trafficking are common. But you are simply incorrect in your "pretty much every person" assessment. I know someone who is currently working a more "legitimate" job but who used to work as an "escort". According to her at least half of those in the trade (or at least in her circle within the trade) were pretty together, not drug addicts, not enslaved, . . . pretty much doing it for the money and the thrill. Some even met their future spouses this way according to her.
The human experience is fairly complex. Simplistic "nobody does this or that of their own free will" statements are almost always wrong."
George Gilder wrote:
killermike wrote:
[quote]was he though??? wrote:
[quote]killermike wrote:
There's nothing wrong with getting your dick massaged. What is wrong is doing that with a victim of human trafficking. That is what makes Kraft's crime significantly worse.
Kraft did not do any putative "trafficking" that was done, so pillorying him is merely publicity chasing. But "trafficking" and the rest of the pileup of silly charges all imply that people offering services all over all the cities of the modern world can somehow be controlled and forced to commit acts against their will, all while being paid billions in tips and at the same time informing their customers of their age and illegality.
Big government feeds on making everybody a criminal. Noosing the super bowl winner for chasing happy endings at age 77 is a gigantic publicity coup for frothing puritan feminists. That's all it is.
So because he didn't participate in sex trafficking himself, but only provided the market for it, he's in the clear?
I bet the ivory buyers and kiddie porn viewers will be happy to hear this.
You seem to think that the idea behind sex trafficking is ridiculous. It is not. There are actual girls who are kidnapped and forced to work in these situations. Whether you think they make enough money or not is irrelevant. The people who create those situations are (and should be) criminals, and the people who supply the market for it are also criminals.
I've got nothing against Kraft chasing his jollies, but don't do it in a scenario in which you might be providing a market for sex trafficking. If he didn't know, too bad. He should have made sure. There were enough red flags with this operation that the odds of it being involved in trafficking were sufficiently high that he should have stayed away.
Pointing it out (again) (sigh) wrote:
[quote]Consenting? wrote:
[quote]what are you talking about? wrote:
[quote]tellusmore wrote:
Sex for money, between two consenting adults should be legal.
Consenting? I don't think you understand how human trafficking works.
I don't think you understand how the English language works. Where exactly in his post did "what are you talking about?" say anything about victims of human trafficking?
Maybe you have not followed the story. These parlors were getting these poor women via human trafficking.
Or maybe you are just stupid.
Learn to swim wrote:
Pointing it out (again) (sigh) wrote:
[quote]Consenting? wrote:
[quote]what are you talking about? wrote:
[quote]tellusmore wrote:
Sex for money, between two consenting adults should be legal.
Consenting? I don't think you understand how human trafficking works.
I don't think you understand how the English language works. Where exactly in his post did "what are you talking about?" say anything about victims of human trafficking?
Maybe you have not followed the story. These parlors were getting these poor women via human trafficking.
Or maybe you are just stupid.
Maybe human trafficking wouldn't be as big of a problem, if prostitution was legal, regulated and had oversight.
Learning to fly but I don't have wings wrote:
Maybe human trafficking wouldn't be as big of a problem, if prostitution was legal, regulated and had oversight.
Not true at all. Human trafficking is still rampant in places like Europe and Nevada where it is legal, regulated, etc. What you fail to understand is that this is an industry people do not want to be involved in. Science can make a pill that can give an old withered man like Kraft an erection, what science can't do is make a pill that will convince some female that that old man is attractive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_trafficking_in_Europehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_NevadaHe did his part to help facilitate sex-trafficking.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/us/robert-kraft-trafficking-florida.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/robert-kraft-arrest-sex-trafficking-ring-bust-women-sex-against-will-2019-2George Gilder wrote:
Kraft did not do any putative "trafficking" that was done, so pillorying him is merely publicity chasing. But "trafficking" and the rest of the pileup of silly charges all imply that people offering services all over all the cities of the modern world can somehow be controlled and forced to commit acts against their will, all while being paid billions in tips and at the same time informing their customers of their age and illegality.
Big government feeds on making everybody a criminal. Noosing the super bowl winner for chasing happy endings at age 77 is a gigantic publicity coup for frothing puritan feminists. That's all it is.
DeBron Lames wrote:
So much angst over a handjob.
+1
Worlds oldest profession for a reason
But once you go Asian you never go back.