you creep from a 39 into a 45 throughout a 3200m race... you're not a master of pacing by any means buddy. If anything, hitting 44/45 on lap 2 or 3 and finishing down around 39/40 would prove much better pacing. It seems like you're just a little upset that you get outkicked at the end, and that you don' have any kick yourself. Learn to kick and maybe you can run under 11 bud!
Why are you guys bashing me? I tried my best in the race. I just get frustrated when people don't try for half the race and then all of the sudden burn me on the last couple of laps.
ConsistencyIsKey wrote:
Why are you guys bashing me? I tried my best in the race. I just get frustrated when people don't try for half the race and then all of the sudden burn me on the last couple of laps.
You can't say they didn't try, they were just not as unwise as you.
“Slow twitch runner”. Bro you’re a no twitch runner. Was very confused by the 4X splits until I realized how slow you were running. You need to seriously look at yourself in the mirror and see if you’re really cut out for running. 11+ 3200m is pathetic. Stop complaining about a bunch of inexperienced runners beating you. They’re more talented than you. That simple. Either grow a pair and put some real mileage in so you can run a half decent time or just quit and hit the weight room and focus on aesthetics.
great stuff.
ConsistencyIsKey wrote:
Why are you guys bashing me? I tried my best in the race. I just get frustrated when people don't try for half the race and then all of the sudden burn me on the last couple of laps.
You are obviously very inexperienced yet post as if you know what you are talking about. I don't know what high key annoying means, but I think it applies to your whiny/preachy post.
You aren't good at math, you complain the other guy ran 48s than finished with 40s to beat you. If he ran 48s most of the race, he would have finished in over 12 minutes. He probably ran 43 - 44 most of the race and closed around 40. That was smarter than what you did opening with 40s and fading to 45.
You're young, stupid, and think you know it all. Don't feel bad, most kids your age are idiots that think they know it all. Keep working, listen to your coaches, read more, post less. Good Luck.
You are high key annoying wrote:
ConsistencyIsKey wrote:
Why are you guys bashing me? I tried my best in the race. I just get frustrated when people don't try for half the race and then all of the sudden burn me on the last couple of laps.
You are obviously very inexperienced yet post as if you know what you are talking about. I don't know what high key annoying means, but I think it applies to your whiny/preachy post.
You aren't good at math, you complain the other guy ran 48s than finished with 40s to beat you. If he ran 48s most of the race, he would have finished in over 12 minutes. He probably ran 43 - 44 most of the race and closed around 40. That was smarter than what you did opening with 40s and fading to 45.
You're young, stupid, and think you know it all. Don't feel bad, most kids your age are idiots that think they know it all. Keep working, listen to your coaches, read more, post less. Good Luck.
now we know why you don't have a GF, jerk
You are high key annoying wrote:
ConsistencyIsKey wrote:
Why are you guys bashing me? I tried my best in the race. I just get frustrated when people don't try for half the race and then all of the sudden burn me on the last couple of laps.
You are obviously very inexperienced yet post as if you know what you are talking about. I don't know what high key annoying means, but I think it applies to your whiny/preachy post.
You aren't good at math, you complain the other guy ran 48s than finished with 40s to beat you. If he ran 48s most of the race, he would have finished in over 12 minutes. He probably ran 43 - 44 most of the race and closed around 40. That was smarter than what you did opening with 40s and fading to 45.
You're young, stupid, and think you know it all. Don't feel bad, most kids your age are idiots that think they know it all. Keep working, listen to your coaches, read more, post less. Good Luck.
to sum up what you are saying:
the OP is inexperienced, annoying, whiny, not good at math, not smart, stupid, thinks he knows it all, and an idiot.
you sound so smart bro, nice job ripping on a child for no reason
800:2:27
1600: 5:13
3200: 11:14
5k XC: 17:44
how old are you? are you like an HS freshman?
2:27 is pathetic....
ric flair woo wrote:
to sum up what you are saying:
the OP is inexperienced, annoying, whiny, not good at math, not smart, stupid, thinks he knows it all, and an idiot.
you sound so smart bro, nice job ripping on a child for no reason
There was a very good reason, so he can learn from it.
Losers worry about winners. Winners worry about winning.
ive got some questuinseses wrote:
800:2:27
1600: 5:13
3200: 11:14
5k XC: 17:44
how old are you? are you like an HS freshman?
2:27 is pathetic....
I actually figured this was some 48 year old loser guy who kept emailing the HS meet director until the guy just said he could run unattached to shut him up for the year.
Either that or like an 8 grade girl who they let run in a boys' HS race because there aren't enough indoor track girls distance runners in her area to justify a whole other race.
Either scenario would also kinda help explain those terrible race times from someone who thinks they are god's gift to running.
Get faster, you big cry baby.[/quote]
Negative split or go home
ConsistencyIsKey wrote:
This post is somewhat of a rant/ essay. Sit down, get your reading glasses, it's about a 1-2 minute read.
I ran a 3200 this weekend indoors, ran really well. Splits stayed consistent the whole time and ran a smart race. What slightly frustrates me is the lack of experience some of my fellow competitors have on what it takes to run a fast race. I've learned over the years what it feels to go too fast, go too slow, and eventually now almost every race I can nail laps that are no more than 5 seconds deviated of each other.
During my 3200 this weekend, I went with the front group of my heat and one guy took off, leaving me and another dude, while the "main chase group" faded further, and further back. That one guy sped up and nearly caught the early leader (lost to him by less than a second. For your perspective he started pushing away AFTER 1k. He was ~30 seconds ahead of me at the finish.) A separate thing, 600 to go, there was this other guy that was a whole straightaway behind me (I couldn't see him if I looked back). At 400 to go, he cut that deficit down to 25 meters. The last lap, he cut that down to 10 meters and passed me 120 to go.
Not complaining anything. He beat me fair and square. I just find it difficult people run 48's for the entire race and then bust out 40's for the last 800 to kick?
Splits were as follows. The bolded is the final 600 where the kid made up 50+ meters
39.33, 40.42, 40.86, (Here I decide to settle into my pace, as I have broken away from the main group) 42.28, 43.06, 43.18, 43.25, 43,57, 44.52, 45.14, 44.93, 45.36, 45.00, 45.50, 44.97, 43.20
Total: 11:34.57
I don't think I slowed down at all, he just sped up way too much. I don't quite understand why kids are afraid to push the pace in the middle rather than spend all their energy catching up at the end. It may be because I am inherently not a fast-twitch runner, therefore I benefit from a medium-fast tempo for longer periods of time. Below are my stats, and you may see why I came to that conclusion.
800:2:27
1600: 5:13
3200: 11:14
5k XC: 17:44
10k: 39:53 (En Route to HM best)
Half Marathon: 1:25.04
Would any of you agree? That this "High School" kick is somewhat annoying, even if it's effective on winning races? It is an important strategy to learn, its just something that frustrates to see inexperienced kids use, rather than be bold and try to get a fast time.
Let me know what you think!
Sincerely,
An experienced midpack runner
Over 50% of high school kids do not figure race strategy. But probably about 50% of adults also never figure out
race strategy either. Someone said Mo Farah ran smart race strategy in the 5K and 10K in the Olympics because
he won? That is not proof it was perfect race strategy and he certainly did not run even pace. It would have
been better if he had moved up more gradually rather than jog in last the first couple laps and then move up faaasst
like he did in the 10K. They run 25 laps in the 10K. What was his hurry when they were running in such a tight
pack? Even if someone took off and ran sub-4 for four laps he would have had plenty of time to catch them before
the 5K mark. That is the one thing that will lead to more world records. Good race strategy. It's not well
understood and I'm glad because the faster they run, the slower my times look!
CCXCwhatever wrote:
ConsistencyIsKey wrote:
This post is somewhat of a rant/ essay. Sit down, get your reading glasses, it's about a 1-2 minute read.
I ran a 3200 this weekend indoors, ran really well. Splits stayed consistent the whole time and ran a smart race. What slightly frustrates me is the lack of experience some of my fellow competitors have on what it takes to run a fast race. I've learned over the years what it feels to go too fast, go too slow, and eventually now almost every race I can nail laps that are no more than 5 seconds deviated of each other.
During my 3200 this weekend, I went with the front group of my heat and one guy took off, leaving me and another dude, while the "main chase group" faded further, and further back. That one guy sped up and nearly caught the early leader (lost to him by less than a second. For your perspective he started pushing away AFTER 1k. He was ~30 seconds ahead of me at the finish.) A separate thing, 600 to go, there was this other guy that was a whole straightaway behind me (I couldn't see him if I looked back). At 400 to go, he cut that deficit down to 25 meters. The last lap, he cut that down to 10 meters and passed me 120 to go.
Not complaining anything. He beat me fair and square. I just find it difficult people run 48's for the entire race and then bust out 40's for the last 800 to kick?
Splits were as follows. The bolded is the final 600 where the kid made up 50+ meters
39.33, 40.42, 40.86, (Here I decide to settle into my pace, as I have broken away from the main group) 42.28, 43.06, 43.18, 43.25, 43,57, 44.52, 45.14, 44.93, 45.36, 45.00, 45.50, 44.97, 43.20
Total: 11:34.57
I don't think I slowed down at all, he just sped up way too much. I don't quite understand why kids are afraid to push the pace in the middle rather than spend all their energy catching up at the end. It may be because I am inherently not a fast-twitch runner, therefore I benefit from a medium-fast tempo for longer periods of time. Below are my stats, and you may see why I came to that conclusion.
800:2:27
1600: 5:13
3200: 11:14
5k XC: 17:44
10k: 39:53 (En Route to HM best)
Half Marathon: 1:25.04
Would any of you agree? That this "High School" kick is somewhat annoying, even if it's effective on winning races? It is an important strategy to learn, its just something that frustrates to see inexperienced kids use, rather than be bold and try to get a fast time.
Let me know what you think!
Sincerely,
An experienced midpack runner
Over 50% of high school kids do not figure race strategy. But probably about 50% of adults also never figure out
race strategy either. Someone said Mo Farah ran smart race strategy in the 5K and 10K in the Olympics because
he won? That is not proof it was perfect race strategy and he certainly did not run even pace. It would have
been better if he had moved up more gradually rather than jog in last the first couple laps and then move up faaasst
like he did in the 10K. They run 25 laps in the 10K. What was his hurry when they were running in such a tight
pack? Even if someone took off and ran sub-4 for four laps he would have had plenty of time to catch them before
the 5K mark. That is the one thing that will lead to more world records. Good race strategy. It's not well
understood and I'm glad because the faster they run, the slower my times look!
Mohammed Farah races very smartly. Farah pinches the turns as tightly as possible, especially the first 1/2 of races and last 900m of races. Farah races 5000m & 10000m in a similar manner as Lasse Viren. Farah does not mind racing in last place early so he can race on the inside of lane one. Farah likes to take the lead over the last 700m or 800m in order to pinch the curves. Viren did this also. Both Farah and Viren sacrificed even pace to race the shortest distance.
Yup. Who cares how they ran, if you don’t like it then beat them next time.
ConsistencyIsKey wrote:
Why are you guys bashing me? I tried my best in the race. I just get frustrated when people don't try for half the race and then all of the sudden burn me on the last couple of laps.
This is for the OP
okay im going to start out by saying yeah you aren't that great and you already have heard that from all other 50+ posts here bashing about how stupid you are and how you're slow and just straight up being jerks. I'm going to agree and disagree but I hope you'll stick around and read this and enjoy as everyone on this thread tears into me as well.
This thread isn't an accurate representation of the running community. At least nothing I've ever experienced before. Running without others support would suck especially being in high school where we are by nature very social and need the validation and support of others to encourage us to keep trying. Yeah your times are not great but I have guys on my team that are running those same times and we still support them. So try to stay positive.
As for your running. You did run the race pretty bad. I've run the 3200 many times and I will tell you that you will never win a race or even get a good time running such a positive split. (If you don't know what that is, it is when your first mile is faster than your second. A negative split is the opposite.) I've been the "high school kick kid" you talked about to my own team mates when they go out in a 4:50 and close in a 5:30. If I run a 5:00 and a 5:10 I still beat the other people by 10 seconds even though I didn't run my first mile as fast as them. (Yes I know I'm not one of those guys who went sub-9 at the gazelle elite meet or whatever it was this past weekend) The guy you raced probably ran a much smarter race. He probably ran much more to an even split race than you did. Overall his time was faster than yours even though he probably never ran a lap quite as fast as you. That being said he worked hard his entire race too, he just didn't die like you. He ran it smarter. I wouldn't go out with the top pack if I were you unless you are in the last heat of the 3200. (if there are even heats) You need to find a pace that will allow you to even split the race more and I think you can not only improve your times but also not deal with this frustration again.
If your PR is 11:14 divide that by 2. 5:37/1600 pace take that down even farther and you get 42.13/200m. Talk to your coach about what he wants you to run each mile in and go from there.
Finally the best advice my coach ever gave me was from the 800-2800 its fairly boring. Don't lose focus especially after the first mile. It's going to be easy to settle but you always have to be smartly pushing it. It's hard to learn but you'll get it. And kick the last lap. You will make it to the finish.
Is it Ironic that his username is consistency is key when he's hating on a kid for running consistent lap times and beating him?
You are complaining that someone who raced terribly, beat you. Aside from many of the valid criticisms already made about your own terrible pacing, your slow times, etc... seriously how dumb do you look basically saying, "I am annoyed that someone with a terrible race strategy beat me and my great race strategy." Learn when to keep your mouth shut, moron.
Togekiss wrote:
ive got some questuinseses wrote:
800:2:27
1600: 5:13
3200: 11:14
5k XC: 17:44
how old are you? are you like an HS freshman?
2:27 is pathetic....
I actually figured this was some 48 year old loser guy who kept emailing the HS meet director until the guy just said he could run unattached to shut him up for the year.
Either that or like an 8 grade girl who they let run in a boys' HS race because there aren't enough indoor track girls distance runners in her area to justify a whole other race.
Either scenario would also kinda help explain those terrible race times from someone who thinks they are god's gift to running.
Those are the only choices you can think of when there is a plethora of no talent guys posting on here thinking they are just a few tweaks in training away from the Olympics?
Am I living in the twilight zone? The Boston Marathon weather was terrible!
Des Linden: "The entire sport" has changed since she first started running Boston.
Matt Choi was drinking beer halfway through the Boston Marathon
2024 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion
Ryan Eiler, 3rd American man at Boston, almost out of nowhere