Gödel's grandson is alive wrote:
ric flair woo wrote:
bro...tefera is 19
jeeez, not easy to have some discussion with a genious like you. Tefera is 19, but has set the WJR in January 2018 at age 18. This record was broken today by JI. Did you get it now, after 5 attempts?
*genius
Irony is beautiful.
Like 2 monkeys humping a football wrote:
Gödel's grandson is alive wrote:
jeeez, not easy to have some discussion with a genious like you. Tefera is 19, but has set the WJR in January 2018 at age 18. This record was broken today by JI. Did you get it now, after 5 attempts?
*genius
Irony is beautiful.
your dumber than you think
Coevett wrote:
exrunner wrote:
So let me clarify:
You are now insinuating that your opinion that Tefera is on EPO actually has nothing to do with his performance a few days ago? Jakob can beat him and Tefera can only keep up BECAUSE he is on EPO? So what you are saying is that Africans can only keep up with White runners if they take drugs, because it is assumed that the White runners are superior to the Africans by default?
You have a White runner who beat an African in a race, and your thought process is that the only reasonable conclusion is that the African must have been doping to have even a CHANCE of matching the White guy?
VERY interesting.
It's you whose obsessed with race, mainly to apologize for a huge and obvious doping problem in Africa (and recognized by the IAAF and the entire world outside this forum).
What the hell is your logic (that Rojo is so impressed by)? If a suspect athlete loses then it means that the guy who beats him must either be dirty too or both must be clean?
So Kyle Langford lost to Bett by 1/100th of a second in 2017. Does that mean we can assume Kyle is clean, but if he ran 2/100ths of a second faster and beat Bett then we'd have to assume he's dirty too?
Why don't you petition the IAAF to introduce a rule that any athlete beating another athlete who subsequently fails a doping test must be assumed to be a doper too and suspended as well? Or maybe only if it's a white runner beating a doped up African guy, because we know it's impossible for white people to run fast, and therefore Jakob must be dirty (and anyone who says differently is racist like Coevett).
Tefera is suspicious because he comes from a corrupt Third World country with no WADA lab, apparently no testing, and EPO on sale in every pharmacy. He's suspicious because of his inconsistent performances, such as his ability to win world senior championships and break world records indoors in the winter and fail to even medal in Junior championships in the summer. He's suspicious because he looks at least 25 and he's competing as a teenage junior. He's suspicious because he broke a 22 year old world record without apparently even needing to breath at the end or even change his facial expression.
That last paragraph is dead on the money. If someone doesn't see that as odd, then there's no point in even arguing with them.
exrunner wrote:
rojo wrote:
Great post. I wish we had a thumbs up as your post is so good.
Or both could be, right? ;)
Or maybe he lost on purpose?
Look Tefera very well could be on drugs but him running 331 doesn't make me nstantly scream, "Doper."
Yes 3:31 is not an otherworldly time, not even indoors. Only posters who aren’t very familiar with the sport think that Tefera’s run on Saturday was something unbelievable.
He broke a 22yo wr by the greatest miler that ever walked the planet. I'm not sure you should be bragging about being "familiar with the sport".
midwestern miler wrote:
King Ramzi wrote:
Look up the old Ramzi threads.
Seriously? Ramzi isn't Kenyan, and scoffing at an individual doping is not the same as scoffing at the suggestion that some countrymen may be doping.
He's referring to the fact that within the threads the Kenyans were defended tooth and nail. Don't be so dismissive.
Ngeny wrote:
midwestern miler wrote:
Seriously? Ramzi isn't Kenyan, and scoffing at an individual doping is not the same as scoffing at the suggestion that some countrymen may be doping.
He's referring to the fact that within the threads the Kenyans were defended tooth and nail. Don't be so dismissive.
I'm willing to change my mind. Please show me a Ramzi thread within the last few years where a significant number of people were saying that no Kenyans dope.
peekay wrote:
Don’t forget to mention German National Champ Sam Parsons!
Why did Sam Parsons wear arm sleeves indoors?
What's with the armsleeves wrote:
peekay wrote:
Don’t forget to mention German National Champ Sam Parsons!
Why did Sam Parsons wear arm sleeves indoors?
To hide the injection spots.
rojo wrote:
exrunner wrote:
Some posters here are actually insane. When an Ethiopian runs a great time he’s doping, but when he loses to a White guy FOUR DAYS later then the White guy is clean!
How about we go back to my original hypothesis: neither are doping, Tefera is a great athlete who had a perfect race set up for him to run a fast time.
Great post. I wish we had a thumbs up as your post is so good.
Or both could be, right? ;)
Or maybe he lost on purpose?
Look Tefera very well could be on drugs but him running 331 doesn't make me nstantly scream, "Doper."
Rojo do you believe Ayana is clean? So she could run the 2nd half of a 10,000m at 14:24 (???) pace, yet days later a 5,000m at that pace was way too quick. Remember Ayana and Tefera are from the same country. If you answered No to my question, then chances are that there is some sort of short-life PED that isn't detectable but gives a momentary massive boost.
Subway Surfers wrote:
Rojo do you believe Ayana is clean? So she could run the 2nd half of a 10,000m at 14:24 (???) pace, yet days later a 5,000m at that pace was way too quick. Remember Ayana and Tefera are from the same country. If you answered No to my question, then chances are that there is some sort of short-life PED that isn't detectable but gives a momentary massive boost.
Haha I love that logic. "Remember they are from the same country, so if one of them is doping then everyone running from that country is doping."
So is that it for the ‘let’s run around the ballroom’ tour? And once again, Tefera proving vulnerable in slow tactical races just like at the World Juniors and African Champs? Or maybe because it’s only a mere four after that energy-sapping, record-breaking feat? That he closed significantly slower in a 3:36 race than he did in a 3:31 race is proof he wasn’t fully recovered.
The World Juniors is on YouTube if you want to see it again.
The whole sport is doomed b/c it is impossible to say who is doping and who is not.
I would say 40% chance Ingebrigtsten is doping and 30% Tefera is. Others on this board would differ on the percentages or say Tefera is more likely but I don't think that anyone would put the numbers lower than 20% for either. And that is why it is so hard to care . . .
It comforts us to say the problem is just Ethiopia or Kenya or US or Europe. We all have different positions. But the reality is that it is probably everywhere and the only difference is that in some countries 50% of the people dope and in others it is 20%.
LAMills wrote:
The whole sport is doomed b/c it is impossible to say who is doping and who is not.
I would say 40% chance Ingebrigtsten is doping and 30% Tefera is. Others on this board would differ on the percentages or say Tefera is more likely but I don't think that anyone would put the numbers lower than 20% for either. And that is why it is so hard to care . . .
It comforts us to say the problem is just Ethiopia or Kenya or US or Europe. We all have different positions. But the reality is that it is probably everywhere and the only difference is that in some countries 50% of the people dope and in others it is 20%.
IAAF surveys have put the estimate of likely doping at championship level of 1 in every 2 athletes. I would infer from that figure that most of the winners and placegetters will therefore be doped because of the advantage it will give them over competitors who aren't. The reality may be that if you aren't doping you have little chance of success now at the elite level.
logician luke wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
Rojo do you believe Ayana is clean? So she could run the 2nd half of a 10,000m at 14:24 (???) pace, yet days later a 5,000m at that pace was way too quick. Remember Ayana and Tefera are from the same country. If you answered No to my question, then chances are that there is some sort of short-life PED that isn't detectable but gives a momentary massive boost.
Haha I love that logic. "Remember they are from the same country, so if one of them is doping then everyone running from that country is doping."
You’ll do well to ignore that room temperature IQ bigot’s posts in the future . Cut from the same cloth as Stormfront’s own Coevett. A sure sign someone is racist is when they can’t see Ayana (who’s never failed a test, btw) and Tefera are not the same person. It’s always “the Ethiopians”, “the Kenyans” “the East Africans” for them. What they’re really thinking is “the blacks”. And that extends to many western journalists as well, they struggle to see African runners as individuals.
El Keniano wrote:
logician luke wrote:
Haha I love that logic. "Remember they are from the same country, so if one of them is doping then everyone running from that country is doping."
You’ll do well to ignore that room temperature IQ bigot’s posts in the future . Cut from the same cloth as Stormfront’s own Coevett. A sure sign someone is racist is when they can’t see Ayana (who’s never failed a test, btw) and Tefera are not the same person. It’s always “the Ethiopians”, “the Kenyans” “the East Africans” for them. What they’re really thinking is “the blacks”. And that extends to many western journalists as well, they struggle to see African runners as individuals.
You always over play your hand with your rhetoric. ALWAYS. Every post of yours critiquing Western attitudes toward African runners is so on the nose. It's nauseating.
there are doping hot spots that move around, from the us, to Canada to Jamaica, to carrib, to Africa, sa, Kenya and ethopia are hot right now.
back in the day blood doping moved from finns to Europe to Iberia and Italy, down to morocco and Algeria,
then to Kenya ethopia, and most recently safrica area where 400m and 800m times went crazy.
and of course you had the former soviet union where sports equaled doping. same same.
and china got in on the act briefly, scooping women's records left and right.
it's hotspots.
Kenya is busted, next up is ethopia busts, then south Africa.
could it be any more obvious?
i suppose it baffles the average iq …
sad.
El Keniano wrote:
logician luke wrote:
Haha I love that logic. "Remember they are from the same country, so if one of them is doping then everyone running from that country is doping."
You’ll do well to ignore that room temperature IQ bigot’s posts in the future . Cut from the same cloth as Stormfront’s own Coevett. A sure sign someone is racist is when they can’t see Ayana (who’s never failed a test, btw) and Tefera are not the same person. It’s always “the Ethiopians”, “the Kenyans” “the East Africans” for them. What they’re really thinking is “the blacks”. And that extends to many western journalists as well, they struggle to see African runners as individuals.
When we now know that doping was endemic in the former Eastern bloc, would you have laid money on any of their athletes being clean - knowing that? Doping is rife today - world-wide. as you say - but some countries throw up more cases and suspicious indicators than others. Regrettably, Kenya is one of those more dubious countries, and the number of doping busts there in recent times cannot but throw a shadow over all of its leading athletes' performances. Doping may not be state-sponsored in Kenya, as it was in the E Bloc, but it is similarly widespread. To argue otherwise is wilful blindness. As for Ethiopia, I wouldn't give anything for trusting performances from athletes in a neighbouring country that has next-to-no doping controls and off-the-charts performances by many of its top runners. (Hullo, Jamaica also.) As for EPO used-syringes found in the coach's garbage - what can one say?
longjack wrote:
there are doping hot spots that move around, from the us, to Canada to Jamaica, to carrib, to Africa, sa, Kenya and ethopia are hot right now.
Kenya is busted, next up is ethopia busts, then south Africa.
could it be any more obvious?
sad.
Isn't S. Africa where the Swedish kid just did a training stint before the race? I see what you are insinuating.
jeeez, not easy to have some discussion with a genious like you. Tefera is 19, but has set the WJR in January 2018 at age 18. This record was broken today by JI. Did you get it now, after 5 attempts?[/quote]
*genius
Irony is beautiful.[/quote]
your dumber than you think[/quote]
*you're
My statement stands.
Watched the race.
Sure the WR effort took something out of Tefera, but not an insane amount, having drafted the whole way.
Didn't see him much after this race, but he appeared more tired than last time. Same with the two Kenyans they show, same with the two Norwegians. A few things contribute to Tefera's greater fatigue: whatever he used has cleared; he is fatigued from the WR effort; and he drafted less in this race.
That last race really was a perfect setup for leech-running, and Tefera nailed it. One wonders if someone like JI could equally have gotten the record.
Also, yes, there are things that will help you on race day, and which clear quickly. A great many use them.
Good racing, this 1500m distance--excellent to watch indoors!