7-time Tour de France "champion" (*******) Lance Armstrong ran a 3:02 marathon (Austin) this morning

joedirt wrote:

It would be interesting to see where he would have placed if every other rider in the Peloton had not been doping as well. You can put an asterisk after his wins, but you pretty much have to put an asterisk after every other cyclist in the era, as pretty much everyone was doping. Not sure much has changed though.

And to think that last year's Tour de France winner, Geraint Thomas, was suspected by the anti-doping authorities to be more into dope than Lance ever was.

whoo hoo wrote:

Lance is the DOPE!

You do realize that the OP is one of the top two DOPES on these forums--along with his pal jamin.

Not An Expert wrote:

He ran as the “charity chaser,” meaning he was the final starter and donations to charity were to be made based on how many runners he passed.

He did also use a coach and 12 week training plan.

When he was in debt from all of the law suits he took his last savings and bought a major stake in Uber

Lance is my heerrrooooo!

worthless charity wrote:

this and this wrote:

IMO, I would not want a charity I was really involved with to benefit from his athletic effort

So let me get this straight. Let's say a given charity pays for cancer treatments for those who can't afford it. You would rather them have less money -- and thus be able to pay for fewer cancer treatments -- than to accept any benefit from Lance Armstrong?

I've never understood the "tainted money" idea in the charity world. How ineffective/worthless is a charity if it doesn't think the good it can do with a significant amount of money outweighs whatever "harm" comes from accepting money from an unlikable person?

If I were a donor to a given charity that turned down money because of who it was coming from, I would find a more effective charity to donate to.

Apparently you're unfamiliar with money laundering.

Can anyone tell me why there’s a 22 minute gap between his gun time and chip time? Thanks.

gstein4 wrote:

Can anyone tell me why there’s a 22 minute gap between his gun time and chip time? Thanks.

He was running a "charity chase" where you start 15 minutes after the last starter and you get a certain donation for every runner you pass

Lance is sponsored by Nike and Minute Maid. He's juiced.

Lance is a real chump! wrote:

Charlie Hustle wrote:

What he did was a lot worse than Pete Rose and Rose is still paying for it. One of the best ever and he won't live to see himself get in the Hall.

Armstrong made out like a bandit! He lives the life of the rich & famous! Now he wants to be the center of attention again.

He lied through his teeth! He lied while testifying in a hearing! He lied on National television! He made a fool of us all who really believed that a stage 4 cancer survivor who was on death's doorstep would never, ever use PEDs and endanger his health!

He skated BIG TIME while another lying career doper, Marion Jones, gets jail time and is left for ruin financially! I don't think many here posting even remember her.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/11/jones.doping/

But he NEVER lied to federal prosecutors unlike Marion Jones. He was at least marginally smarter and listened to his lawyers, that's why he didn't end up in prison;) Just saying...

killermike wrote:

Alright, Travis Tygart has repeated this line over and over, but it's nonsense. I don't even know how he would be in a position to determine this. First, he's a US doping official. He doesn't know what Marco Pantani was doing. He might be able to say Armstrong's doping was part of a more elaborate scheme than that of Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire, but I would expect that. Armstrong's doping was team-wide and was in conjunction with multi-week races that spanned multiple countries. Of course that is going to be more "complex" than the doping scheme of a regular American athlete, but that doesn't mean Armstrong was taking more powerful or better drugs than his fellow TdF contenders.

Thanks for bringing more level headed reasoning to this discussion... Always drives me nuts when people who didn't follow the cycling before Lance bring their holier-than-thou attitude.

I respect Lance for his wins, maybe not so much for his d*ck behavior when on top. It was a little too psycho for me, a mix of a hard nosed Texan with a thick skin of a young rebel growing up without his father trying too much to prove his worth to the outside world...

I suspected in 1999 when he won that he was on something... Anybody who was around professional cycling at the time was thinking it. I told that to my friends who only knew about cycling because of Lance, got laughed out... All the BS about cancer survival, etc., etc... I didn't mind, still enjoyed his wins but I wouldn't had been surprised if he was busted... When he opened up on Oprah, I was only mildly surprised but than I understood it was a part of a larger legal scheme to try to play against Tygart & USADA, and protect his $$$$. Good times.

I'd just let him race, it's in his blood. He needs it, like most need to breathe;) Btw, he is too slow nowadays to be any threat...

KawauchiFTW wrote:

Lance is a real chump! wrote:

Armstrong made out like a bandit! He lives the life of the rich & famous! Now he wants to be the center of attention again.

He lied through his teeth! He lied while testifying in a hearing! He lied on National television! He made a fool of us all who really believed that a stage 4 cancer survivor who was on death's doorstep would never, ever use PEDs and endanger his health!

He skated BIG TIME while another lying career doper, Marion Jones, gets jail time and is left for ruin financially! I don't think many here posting even remember her.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/11/jones.doping/

But he NEVER lied to federal prosecutors unlike Marion Jones. He was at least marginally smarter and listened to his lawyers, that's why he didn't end up in prison;) Just saying...

C'mon man...you're apologizing for the behavior of this chump! Did Pharmstrong pay you to troll discussion forum threads about him? He lied under oath in a civil proceeding. It shouldn't make any difference when you're testifying under oath at any hearing!

But yet this chump SKATES and Jones goes down! Pharmstrong is a lier! Telling everyone on National television that it would be crazy for a stage 4 cancer survivor to use PEDS! C'mon man....you condone that kind of behavior? The guy made out like a bandit and you have the audacity to defend this chump? "Just saying." ?

Wow, it's quite a jump from "He's not in prison because, unlike Jones, he didn't to federal investigators" to condoning his behavior. I think he's an asshat because of the way he treated a lot of innocent people, but the difference between him and Jones is quite obvious. If you lie to federal investigators, you might go to prison. Jones didn't go to prison because of drugs. Armstrong was at least smart enough to not lie to federal investigators. That's not a defense of him; it's just a statement of fact about why he didn't go to prison.

Nuance, man. It can change your life.

And yet every American that left USPS got busted afterwards.

USPS/Armstrong were doing something different that Phonak couldn't.

Btw, the statute of limitations on perjury in most states is five years. Armstrong's deposition happened in 2005, so by the time he confessed, the statute had run out. Again, not defending the guy's character....just saying that he and Jones were in very different legal boats.

ummm? wrote:

And yet every American that left USPS got busted afterwards.

USPS/Armstrong were doing something different that Phonak couldn't.

Paying lots of US taxpayers' money to the heads of Cycling's governing body and by using lawyers to strongarm dissenting voices.

Similar to the way that today's dominant team Team Sky get away with doping in plain view. These days, ex-Sky employees have been running the UCI and have been sickingly partisan when substantiated doping allegations have been levelled at Team Sky and its star riders.

Legal heavyweights were brought in when riders' positive tests couldn't be covered-up by Sky's in-house UCI beaurocrats, eventually forcing the doping authorities to alter the metrics for doping levels in order to exonerate cheats.

Team Sky have also been caught trafficking drugs across nation-state lines, and then lying about it to investigators.

Team Sky employed "doctors" who were known explicitly for their doping expertise. Geert Leinders is credited with the amazing transformation of British also-rans to the forefront of cycling. His (and others') presence within British Cycling has tainted ALL British Sporting accomplishments most notably since the 2012 Olympic Games.

Note that Lance had pedigree and was a World Champion before cancer and before laying claim to TdF titles - TdF winner Wiggins was previously a track rider who specialised in the few kms' dash on pan-flat wooden boards against mediocre opposition. Suddenly he is a great alpine climber able to smash natural-born climbers who have been trying to win mountainous Grand Tour titles all their careers.

Froome was a very poor cyclist, and known for zigzagging up steep urban hills (not even mountains) unable to keep up with the rest. He was fined for holding on to a motorbike after having been dropped on a climb - he was asked by journalists why he did it, Froome told them "to get to the top". Amazing to say a few months later that this same guy is beating Lance's records and Froome is regarded today as the most talented cyclist EVER in the history of the sport.

Banana Bread wrote:

It would be ironic if he improved his times and managed to qualify for the Olympics in 2020. Who knows? Imagine seeing the goat runner Bekele and goat cyclist in same race?

It would be funny if Chris Froome decided that doping controls are getting too strict in professional cycling and he decided it would be easier to dope and compete at an elite level in distance running...as a Kenyan anyway.

Then he becomes the first man under 2 hours for the marathon...as a (white) Kenyan.

El K would certainly choke on his cornflakes.

Pharmstrong paid Ferrari over a million smackers to put him on a top notched program. Ferrari was the best in the business with performance doping and basically took Pharmstrong from a non-GT contender to a Tour Champion in a very short time. Remember Ferrari's experiments worked wonders when Pharmstrong shocked the cycling world by finishing 4th at the mountainous Vuelta in 98 - his first GT since coming back from the cancer. Prior to that he couldn't TT or climb worth beans finishing something around ~36th - 40th place in the previous Tours he did pre-cancer & pre-Ferrari (including a DNF in 93).

Pharmstrong is a successful product of doping guru Ferrari - and he paid a pretty penny for it...really nothing new there:

Big fan.

Starting races bikes because of him.

I’m still crushing it in my 40s because Of Lance.

I only wish he ran the marathon faster so I could race him. He needs to just focus on some lower volume quality and he can run 2:30 easy.

Was he wearing 4% ?