jeeezus wrote:
Magness had Mark English in 2016. So he's already had an Olympian. And English just won the Athlone 800m in 1:46 to open his indoor season, so I'd expect Magness to have at least one in the next Olympics as well.
Regardless, this is a dumb thread. Everyone is arguing straw man arguments. Of course, Tinman doesn't use just CV. What M&M argued was that VO2max, CV, LT, don't do anything special. They aren't bad or good, they are just different tools. Magness makes the argument that it's impossible to zero in and say between these 5 seconds per mile, you'll get mitochondria adaptations of fast twitch fibers, or whatever you want to say, because that level of accuracy is impossible on the individual level.
Yeah exactly. I also think this idea of "no magic paces" is pretty freeing honestly, insofar as you don't need to stress _too_ much about whether you're running at precisely VO2 or CV or whatever, specifically because the body is a complex system and it's almost impossible to disambiguate which stimulus caused what effect (a point that Magness made on the podcast that was backed by a recent study.)
I agree Magness and Marcus both speak in the abstract a little too much, but over time they (and especially Marcus) have revealed their philosophy. Marcus believes in 4-6 week cycles as opposed to block periodization, during which he primarily focuses on a specific quality, and afterwards he evaluates and adjusts.
As for the unwillingness to dish out paces, say, for easy runs (I personally find Tinman's pace guidelines very helpful), I think it's because they honestly believe that going by feel is appropriate. More concretely, if you're a ST diesel engine type, you can run steady basically every day without too much issue. If you're a FT, this strategy will burn you!