Sesamoiditis wrote:
Does he have a marathon coming up? World Championships on the track? I'm just curious about the guy. He seems to be in the mold of a b-level Kenyan chasing money around the European road circuit. it is not conventional.
What would you like him to do in Jan-Feb? Train for some middling indoor track times like Rupp and the rest of the Americans?
Running big miles and crushing a couple races seems like a great way to spend the winter, whatever your plan is for the summer.
the pacers made me lose wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
First thing I thought as well. The pacemakers did a fine and dandy job for those who did break 59 but not a well enough job for him to break 59? Very silly thinking.
Wanders is embarrassing himself with those comments.
You guys misunderstood the whole thing. Wanders never said he would have won the race if pacers did a better job. He just said the pacemakers could have done a better job by more even and faster pacing during the fast 10k and if they did that, then he could have broken 59:00. He basically wanted to say everyone would have had a better race and Hadis/Kiprop could have gotten closer to the world record.
thoughtsss wrote:
Wanders58 wrote:
He is running the Herculis 5k road race in Monaco. Weather looks almost perfect, 13C, sun and a light breeze. Although he ran 59'13" in Ras, Julien said he was a little disappointed by the pacemakers and had they done a perfect job he believed a sub 59 could have been done, nevertheless, he also said he has much higher ambitions than the 'mere' 59'13". For the Sunday race he reckons a new PR of 13:10-13:15 would please him for the moment. Thoughts?
Not sure Wanders has enough pace for a truly fast 5k time, he seems to get better the longer the race. He might just eclipse the old record though.
Appears that Moen is running this one as well. Anyone know what kind if shape he is in?
Wanders could beat the old record but still not have the ER if Moen is in form and beats him.
Battle of North vs Central Europe wrote:
thoughtsss wrote:
Not sure Wanders has enough pace for a truly fast 5k time, he seems to get better the longer the race. He might just eclipse the old record though.
Appears that Moen is running this one as well. Anyone know what kind if shape he is in?
Wanders could beat the old record but still not have the ER if Moen is in form and beats him.
No chance, not even if he was to be in top shape. Wanders is already a better runner than Moen ever was and in their current form is a league above.
Last year Moen only managed a 13:42 5000m and a 28:37 10000m. He will get totally crushed on sunday. Wanders split almost the same time for 5k in the middle of the half in Rak on the roads and not on a track. If Moen dares to go out with Julien, i guess he'll blow up around 2000m in it.
Thoughtsss wrote:
No chance, not even if he was to be in top shape. Wanders is already a better runner than Moen ever was and in their current form is a league above.
Last year Moen only managed a 13:42 5000m and a 28:37 10000m. He will get totally crushed on sunday. Wanders split almost the same time for 5k in the middle of the half in Rak on the roads and not on a track. If Moen dares to go out with Julien, i guess he'll blow up around 2000m in it.
Moen ran 13:42 last year recovering from injury. He ran 13:20 the year before that when healthy.
He is a great talent, but let's be honest his 59:13 is what - maybe 64-65th all time? Sort of like just breaking 3:50 in the mile. A long way from a 3:43.
Since 2017 at least 9 men have gone 58:51 or faster. By the end of this year, add 3-5 more.
To say you want to be the world's best is a difficult if not impossible achievement. Maybe over the next 5 or so years he runs 58:30. If he can get his 10K time to 27.
That still might be about 25th all- time in 2025 and the world record will be closer to 57:40 in the half.
Ohpleasejuststop wrote:
He is a great talent, but let's be honest his 59:13 is what - maybe 64-65th all time? Sort of like just breaking 3:50 in the mile. A long way from a 3:43.
Since 2017 at least 9 men have gone 58:51 or faster. By the end of this year, add 3-5 more.
To say you want to be the world's best is a difficult if not impossible achievement. Maybe over the next 5 or so years he runs 58:30. If he can get his 10K time to 27.
That still might be about 25th all- time in 2025 and the world record will be closer to 57:40 in the half.
Wow you didn't do yourself any favors with that post, 59:13 is the 38th best HM ever, 1" better than Kimetto and 12" better than Kipchogue, I assume you've heard of these guys ?
Oh and Wanders is probably getting the 5km WR record on Sunday as it's...new in 2018/2019, see here for more :
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9238224Sally Vix wrote:
check your data wrote:
Actually they are. It's just that Wanders can now beat the cream of the crop. In a similar way that Jake Robertson beat the cream of the crop in last years Houston. That's unless you feel "cream of the crop" is one or two runners instead of the top 1% of pro runners. In which case that really wouldn't be just cream of the crop...it would be the cherry on top of the cream...or basically world record holders...
Fair enough. Nice points.
First time on letsrun someone has ever conceded??? ???
deathinparadise wrote:
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Oh and Wanders is probably getting the 5km WR record on Sunday as it's...new in 2018/2019, see here for more :
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9238224
Let's not get over excited here. Wanders is a great road runner. But let's remember that his PBs (from last summer are only 3:43.39, 7:50.3 and 13:24 respectively. He is not a speed demon.
I doubt that he could go sub 13:10. Sub 13:20, perhaps. ER, very likely. Faster than Mo's 5K road PB, I am almost certain.
Mzungu in Iten wrote:
We will see what future brings but one thing is sure, it will be very bright for Julien if he keeps the hunger and as he likes to say, the 'eye of the tiger'.
Thank you for sharing the detailed information!
He is not a speed demon but he is a class above the kind of runner he was last summer. He and his coach agreed that he didn't prepare right his last track season so his PR's are weak and are bound to be smashed. Sub 13:10? I don't think so either after Rak, only if it was a goal race itself. Probably a tad under 13:20 if you ask me. However i guess he'll come very close or even break 13 minutes on the track this summer.
deathinparadise wrote:
Ohpleasejuststop wrote:
He is a great talent, but let's be honest his 59:13 is what - maybe 64-65th all time? Sort of like just breaking 3:50 in the mile. A long way from a 3:43.
Since 2017 at least 9 men have gone 58:51 or faster. By the end of this year, add 3-5 more.
To say you want to be the world's best is a difficult if not impossible achievement. Maybe over the next 5 or so years he runs 58:30. If he can get his 10K time to 27.
That still might be about 25th all- time in 2025 and the world record will be closer to 57:40 in the half.
Wow you didn't do yourself any favors with that post, 59:13 is the 38th best HM ever, 1" better than Kimetto and 12" better than Kipchogue, I assume you've heard of these guys ?
Oh and Wanders is probably getting the 5km WR record on Sunday as it's...new in 2018/2019, see here for more :
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9238224
Adding in RAK results and Valencia half, the performance by Wanders would be about 64th performance on the list so far. Don't know what the list will look like in 2025- 57:40 seems like a stretch but maybe.
Sssssssdd wrote:
deathinparadise wrote:
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Oh and Wanders is probably getting the 5km WR record on Sunday as it's...new in 2018/2019, see here for more :
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9238224Let's not get over excited here. Wanders is a great road runner. But let's remember that his PBs (from last summer are only 3:43.39, 7:50.3 and 13:24 respectively. He is not a speed demon.
I doubt that he could go sub 13:10. Sub 13:20, perhaps. ER, very likely. Faster than Mo's 5K road PB, I am almost certain.
Yes his speed just isn't there
deathinparadise wrote:
Wow you didn't do yourself any favors with that post, 59:13 is the 38th best HM ever, 1" better than Kimetto and 12" better than Kipchogue, I assume you've heard of these guys ?
Oh and Wanders is probably getting the 5km WR record on Sunday as it's...new in 2018/2019, see here for more
You didn't do YOURSELF any favors there.
There have been *****over 60***** HM performances faster than 59:13.
Also, Kimetto has a 59:14, you dolt.
And if you think that Kimetto's or Kipchoge's 59-low were run as serious target performances at their prime, you just don't know running.
Both of those guys had sub-27 and sub-2:03 ability. They just never bothered to fully pursue their fastest possible HM and could obviously have run 58. Let me know when Wanders runs a 26 or a 2:02, and then we can't talk about comparison to the BIG BOYS.
Would you class him in the A-list if by the end of the year he ends up with sub-13/sub-27/59:13 credentials?? Because that's what will probably happen if he stays healthy.
The pacers will be Bram Som (3.42 1500m) and Cornelius Kiplangat (3.39 1500m at altitude) . Julien Wanders&Marco Jager requested a pace of 2:38/km. So Bram Som will have the task to pass 2k in 5'15 and Kiplangat to pass 3k in 7'54. Who will have the guts to go out with Wanders?
Official Pacers wrote:
The pacers will be Bram Som (3.42 1500m) and Cornelius Kiplangat (3.39 1500m at altitude) . Julien Wanders&Marco Jager requested a pace of 2:38/km. So Bram Som will have the task to pass 2k in 5'15 and Kiplangat to pass 3k in 7'54. Who will have the guts to go out with Wanders?
Depends on who’s in it.
Julien Wanders , Sondre Moen, Francois Barrer (13:27 pb), Luke Traynor (13:37), Mohamed Ali (13:32), Krystian Zalewski (13:45), Adam Clarke, Domnic Lobalu, Abhishek Pal.
Som was pacing Kejelcha's attempt today in Birmingham, so he will fly later in the evening to Monaco. I don't think he will be rested enough to get through 2000m at that pace.