juddy96 wrote:
Letsrun has often mentioned her ties to known dopers, this isn't a shock
https://twitter.com/aiu_athletics/status/1093797440216580096
+1 ! This is just a joke that Rosa management is allowed to keep on this doping farce. Kenya is so very corrupted and the money rules its running scene. But we have to say most runners are running clean of course, but obviously not Rosa runners.
Under the covers wrote:
juddy96 wrote:
Letsrun has often mentioned her ties to known dopers, this isn't a shock
https://twitter.com/aiu_athletics/status/1093797440216580096+1 ! This is just a joke that Rosa management is allowed to keep on this doping farce. Kenya is so very corrupted and the money rules its running scene. But we have to say most runners are running clean of course, but obviously not Rosa runners.
Just curious: Anyone have a list of Rosa's runners?
Rita Jeptoo
Jemima Sumgong
Asbel Kiprop
Matthew Kipsorio
Agatha Jeruto
Emily Chebet
Pamela Chepchumba
James Mwangi Wangari
Lucy Kabuu Wangui
Sarah Chepchirchir
...
casual obsever wrote:
Awesome story, I couldn't stop laughing:
Daily Nation wrote:
The elite marathon stars recently suspended by Rosa Associati will be free to rejoin the Italian management stable once investigations into alleged doping cases are completed.
The management stable’s director Federico Rosa on Sunday also clarified that none of the athlete are being investigated for doping, but they are merely helping in offering information that would help clear the air on the mystery surrounding Olympic champion Jemima Sumgong’s doping ban.
“Absolutely,” was the response Federico had on Sunday after Nation Sport asked him if suspended Paris Marathon champion Purity Rionoripo, Tokyo Marathon Sarah Chepchirchir and former Paris winner Visiline Jepkesho would be admitted back by his management.
Federico said Rosa Associati will stop at nothing in ensuring their athletes compete clean and will be happy to co-operate with any investigations into substance abuse in Kenya.
Oh the irony.
Subway, did you write that?
The use of the word stable is shocking!!!!
casual obsever wrote:
Rita Jeptoo
Jemima Sumgong
Asbel Kiprop
Matthew Kipsorio
Agatha Jeruto
Emily Chebet
Pamela Chepchumba
James Mwangi Wangari
Lucy Kabuu Wangui
Sarah Chepchirchir
...
WTF? Unbelievable! And Rosa is still allowed to do business in Kenya? This sport is really going down the drain.
El Keniano wrote:
Talking Points wrote:
I thought Ethiopia was getting tested as much as Kenya is under that new East African anti-doping protocol? (e.g.,aggressive OOC testing with boots on the ground). Now Ethiopia is not testing positive left & right Kenyan is. Could Ethiopia actually be doing it clean and Kenya is doping like crazy in order to stay competitive with them? ?
I think Ethiopia is doing it clean. Draconian Government rules with strict controls on foreigners. Kenya is a free-for-all that allows everyone into the country. There’s such a thing as too much freedom.
Nice how you blame foreigners. Did they hold these athletes at gunpoint to inject them?
More likely a Russian style state-run system of in-house testing, doping and regulation of testing. I haven't heard whether they are even blood-tested yet. A cloud of secrecy is never a good thing in Athletics. Sounds just like Kenya a few years ago when everyone was giving them a pass because "Hey, they run to school every day!"
Lets Get To The Bottom of the Barrell wrote:
Wojo actually visited their training camp in 2017 and came away with the feeling that 'they were doing it clean'. He also was sure Kiprop was clean (before the bust).
That's now what he wrote or said. He wrote the article after the fact - after Sumgong was busted and it was pretty obvious the whole group almost certainly was dirty - but he wrote that when he visited, at the time he felt they could be doing it clean - there is a huge difference between "were" doing it clean and "could" be doing it clean.
Wejowrote:
Did my visit to Sumgong’s camp raise my suspicions of possible doping in the group? No, it actually had the opposite effect. I left thinking they could be doing it clean.
Dr. Rosa is the real culprit. Ban or suspend him for at least 20 years and you will see a difference. Why is it only his camp that fails the test? I know he pay lots of bribes to AK and govt to remain in operation but it is time this mess is dealt with once for all.
casual obsever wrote:
Awesome story, I couldn't stop laughing:
Daily Nation wrote:
The elite marathon stars recently suspended by Rosa Associati will be free to rejoin the Italian management stable once investigations into alleged doping cases are completed.
The management stable’s director Federico Rosa on Sunday also clarified that none of the athlete are being investigated for doping, but they are merely helping in offering information that would help clear the air on the mystery surrounding Olympic champion Jemima Sumgong’s doping ban.
“Absolutely,” was the response Federico had on Sunday after Nation Sport asked him if suspended Paris Marathon champion Purity Rionoripo, Tokyo Marathon Sarah Chepchirchir and former Paris winner Visiline Jepkesho would be admitted back by his management.
Federico said Rosa Associati will stop at nothing in ensuring their athletes compete clean and will be happy to co-operate with any investigations into substance abuse in Kenya.
Oh the irony.
Subway, did you write that?
I like satire, but I'm not that good. In short "Rosa Associati" is a big doping operation going on in full view, in the middle of the day with windows as walls surrounding the training complex and everyone's invited.
I’d say a lot of fault goes to the race organizers as well.
Marathons are the big ticket payouts cheaters go for, correct?
Amongst the competition of race organizers, I’d say the organizer would be drooling to have a new course record, world best or WR over the next guy.
They are not naive to ANYTHING.
ya, and then you have the Athletics Integrity Unit, straight out of Orwell.who are rotten to the core out of the gate.
https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/know-us
lovely buddy buddy interchange of invoices...
what a crock.
Testing Programme
$4,715,136
Disciplinary & Legal
$1,181,831
Communication & Education
$298,430
Experts-Consultants
$688,958
Supervisory Boards
$45,761
Representation (conference, meetings)
$160,119
Miscellanaeous (frais divers, repas pro, stationery)
$49,654
Total (USD)*
$7,139,889
Integrity Unit's most laughable statement of all.
Bribery and Corruption
The Athletics Integrity Unit will pursue any actions that constitute bribery or corruption within the sport of athletics.
Their budget needs an audit right off the bat, it will be filled with spendings within a small circle of friends.
The worst of the worst.
I thought she was busted already. This one isn't a surprise.
YMMV wrote:
El Keniano wrote:
I think Ethiopia is doing it clean. Draconian Government rules with strict controls on foreigners. Kenya is a free-for-all that allows everyone into the country. There’s such a thing as too much freedom.
Nice how you blame foreigners. Did they hold these athletes at gunpoint to inject them?
More likely a Russian style state-run system of in-house testing, doping and regulation of testing. I haven't heard whether they are even blood-tested yet. A cloud of secrecy is never a good thing in Athletics. Sounds just like Kenya a few years ago when everyone was giving them a pass because "Hey, they run to school every day!"
What’s your basis for that accusation against Ethiopia? They’ve had zero busts, just like the U.S., Britain and most of Western Europe. And if you believe that the sport in those countries is 100% clean because no one got caught, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Your claims that Kenyan distance running is a sham because stricter controls are actually shown to be working, for once, is just plain stupid. Get this. There will be no decline in Kenyan performances ( actually running faster with three WRs within the last year) for the simple fact that Kenyans are just that much better than Americans and the rest of the world put together. That will not change and they won’t vanish like the Russians or Chinese. And runners that want to get better will continue looking to Kenya for inspiration. Countries desperate for athletic success such as Qatar, Bahrain, Turkey and the United States will continue to poach Kenyan talent even if to help improve their own standards. The Rift Valley will always be the point of reference for mid and distance running. If people truly believed it is all fake then it would become a pariah like Russia, and that won’t happen.
And, yes. I blame foreigners and think most should be asked to leave. Before the invasion Kenyans didn’t even care for supplements. Wish Kenya would borrow a leaf from Ethiopia strictly controlling who they allow in and and ban whoever so much as sets a foot wrong. Kenya is a victim of its openness which is why Letrunners like rant and pretend to be experts on what’s going on all the way from their basements in flyover America.
Coevett wrote:
Doped to the Max wrote:
Wow!...another Kenyan marathoner busted! Just shocked! AIU report says ABP case - so I'm guessing a hematological anomalies case (ESA or transfusions).
That 2:19:47 is 25th fastest all-time - she's no slouch.
https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/disciplinary-process/provisional-suspensions-in-forceWonder why people here aren't talking about this?
She actually told LetsRun what she think's about people who are suspicious of Kenyan performances.
https://youtu.be/ALBy69S_20I?t=63Funny how LetsRun interviewed her several times in the past, but now she's another Kenyan doping bust, she's evidently not elite enough for her story to make the front page.
That's because the pink-hat soyboys are busy cheering for doped guys like Saruni and Kejelcha right now, not paying attention to the fact that these talented E. Africans still spend a lot of time avoiding testing by being incommunicado in their homelands no matter where they are "based". But our based soyboy SJW NPCs will hang tough and support all cheats and always ignore when they are caught or will rationalize it. That's how brainwashed they are.
Funny how guys lacking real leg speed - like Kejelcha - can drop such fast mile times since EPO came along, isn't it? For some reason it reminds me of my favorite doped to the eyeballs WR, the 1K by Ngeny.
longjack wrote:
ya, and then you have the Athletics Integrity Unit, straight out of Orwell.who are rotten to the core out of the gate.
Stop trying to change the subject you hasbarat.
The E. Africans are filthy when it comes to drugs.
Names. Who are the soyboys? Not the brojos. ?
El Keniano wrote:
YMMV wrote:
Nice how you blame foreigners. Did they hold these athletes at gunpoint to inject them?
More likely a Russian style state-run system of in-house testing, doping and regulation of testing. I haven't heard whether they are even blood-tested yet. A cloud of secrecy is never a good thing in Athletics. Sounds just like Kenya a few years ago when everyone was giving them a pass because "Hey, they run to school every day!"
What’s your basis for that accusation against Ethiopia? They’ve had zero busts, just like the U.S., Britain and most of Western Europe. And if you believe that the sport in those countries is 100% clean because no one got caught, then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
Your claims that Kenyan distance running is a sham because stricter controls are actually shown to be working, for once, is just plain stupid. Get this. There will be no decline in Kenyan performances ( actually running faster with three WRs within the last year) for the simple fact that Kenyans are just that much better than Americans and the rest of the world put together. That will not change and they won’t vanish like the Russians or Chinese. And runners that want to get better will continue looking to Kenya for inspiration. Countries desperate for athletic success such as Qatar, Bahrain, Turkey and the United States will continue to poach Kenyan talent even if to help improve their own standards. The Rift Valley will always be the point of reference for mid and distance running. If people truly believed it is all fake then it would become a pariah like Russia, and that won’t happen.
And, yes. I blame foreigners and think most should be asked to leave. Before the invasion Kenyans didn’t even care for supplements. Wish Kenya would borrow a leaf from Ethiopia strictly controlling who they allow in and and ban whoever so much as sets a foot wrong. Kenya is a victim of its openness which is why Letrunners like rant and pretend to be experts on what’s going on all the way from their basements in flyover America.
I agree with this, mostly.
The known doping cases have involved a lot of foreign agents & handlers (Italian / Spanish etc).
It seems that - and I'm thinking aloud here - in Kenya, more so than in Ethiopia, elite running is associated with financial success - hence, more Kenyans than Ethiopians on the rosters of Qatar, Bahrain, US etc. Historically Kenya runners have pursued the roads (compared to Ethiopians) so there's more money involved there than in Olympics & World Cross etc.
Also Chepchirchir's group is disproprotionately represented in doping cases. Ceteris paribus, this is strongly suggestive that most other running groups in Kenya are NOT systematically doping.
Rather than saving me effort, you are unnecessarily costing me effort. Here's what I wrote in the "Rosa" thread: You can refer to previous explanations, because there is no need for me to change any. Athletes take drugs based on belief and hope. Sometimes it works. Sometimes they get busted. Belief in drugs in the hope of improved performance is deep and wide -- for many examples, just visit forums like letsrun. Given the circumstances around Sumgong, Chepchirchir's suspension was predictable. I forgot to mention that the validity of "proofs by example" does not change by adding one more example. I trust the AIU will do what they can to determine her guilt, and do not offer any excuses for her (or anyone's) doping. If you want to start a performance discussion, you need more data. If you want to link the doping back to Rosa, outside of any forum or tabloid or pub, you need more evidence.
Subway Surfers wrote:
Oh what is my good friend Renato going to say now? Another Rosa athlete. I have Rekrunner's excuse already for everyone to save him the effort. He will point out how in 2018 she could only run 2:39 and is in no way evidence that she was a doper when she ran 2:19.