Best high-school runners that disappeared in college?

Granville.

Peter Meindl, Stanford

Has now earned 3 degrees: Stanford, Northwestern and Stanford, with an MBA and PhD being the final two.

Working out East in hedge funds.

Looks to have transitioned away from running quite successfully...

Matt Withrow, Wisconsin

Cardinal Sin wrote:

How about 70% of the blue chippers that attend Stanford University.

Cannot the same be said of 70% of blue chippers everywhere?

I'd nominate the Mastalir brothers.

Dan Coval

low miles, high intensity wrote:

ShipYard wrote:

The worst part about Krahn is that he wasn’t training too hard early. His high school runs 35 miles per week, if I remember articles about him correctly. Just caught the injury bug. This last season at Princeton was much more successful than those prior. He may well break those PRs.

Training hard isn't about miles run, it is about intensity.

Stillwater has a very good coach, but they train hard, intensity focused. Better off running a little more and running a little less intensity.

I found it hard to believe he only ran 35 mpw, but if he did, it would be impossible to burn out at that amount. With his talent level, it would be about 30 minutes of running a day. Was his training all intervals at race pace?

Thomas ratcliffe has some knee problems which lead to surgery. He still was able to run a 7:53 3k while red shirting an indoor season for Stanford. I have also heard he is working on making a comeback

Going old school...John Holmes( not THAT one)...John McDonnell says one of the most talented guys ever. I heard homelife wasn’t the greatest. 4:03 or 4:06 in HS beating the likes of Reina and Henry. I was in a Cross Country race with him(pretty hilly for Houston standards, only 2 miles) where a chit ton of us hit the 1 mile marker at 5:00 and he ran the second mile in 4:30 and won by 20 seconds. Crazy talented....Sad really....

Augie Escobar (sub-9 2mile when nobody was running sub 9)

Ryan Bousquet

Jantzen Oshier

Matt Jonsrud

Connor Dunne

Did any of these low-4 milers run in college???

He was doing 35 just on his morning runs.

Micheal Slagowski

Went sub 4 twice outdoors senoir year and hasn’t ran anywhere near it since. Think he’s at a JUCO now

The comment earlier about the anti-Stanford hate on this board and in this thread is totally right. Stember was an Olympian; Cuffe is #3 NCAA all-time; Stamps ran well then shattered her leg in a non-running accident; even the Mastalirs ran ok (though not great), qualifying for Olympic trials and running 3:42 for 1500. There are definitely good HS runners that haven't done well at Stanford, but that's true at all the top programs. And these comments ignore that there have been 3-4 coaches over the last few decades, including Lananna who was by far the best, and yet somehow seem to treat the different eras the same. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but there's a lot of anti-tall poppy griping about Stanford that can only be attributed to jealousy about its prestige.

JohnNgugi wrote:

Cardinal Sin wrote:

How about 70% of the blue chippers that attend Stanford University.

Cannot the same be said of 70% of blue chippers everywhere?

I'd nominate the Mastalir brothers.

TheCoachYouDontKnowYet wrote:

Granville.

Granville by far is the most disappointing. Went in as national record holder in the 800. He and his coach/dad talking big about setting world records. By the time he graduated he was a mediocre 400 sprinter. Never ran after college.

I agree. Do people not understand what it means to disappear? We have examples of national class runners who never ran a college meet or steadily got worse. These examples of great HS runners who didn’t win the NCAA or make an Olympic team don’t qualify as disappearing. Stanford is a perennial powerhouse in track and XC so that is not the school I would focus on. Next we will be told Fisher was a disappointment.

Annie St. Geme

Kai Wilmot

ESTEVAN DELAROSA

SDSU Aztec wrote:

de la salle grad wrote:

Richard Kimball, world jr XC champ.

Kimball also ran 4:02/8:46 for the mile and 2-mile in 1974 which was the fastest one day double until German Fernandez in 2008. He went to Oregon State, got sick with mono, and transferred to San Jose State. The only result for for him I could find was a 3:47 1500 in 1977.

Kimball's double at CIF was 4:06/8:46. His 4:02 was at NCS the week before where he also won the 2 mile in 9:13.

Of historical note, Kimball had only 70 minutes between events and ran the 2 mile first. In his astonishing double, Fernandez had 2 hours to recover for the 3200 after running the 1600 first.

Kimball apparently started out the 1974 track season by winning world junior XC in Italy, beating Centrowitz, John Treacy (2x world XC champ, Olympic marathon silver), among others.

It's no wonder he was completely fried by the end of his senior year.

I raced Jim in '76. He was a nice guy. But not everyone can keep focused on running year in year out for over a decade. Like a lot of other guys who "disappear" he had talent and interests in other areas.

Laura Hollander at, I think, Calpoly. She had a good year or so and then had to withdraw due to injuries piling up. Maybe someone knows the whole story...