Huddle fan wrote:
so Huddle declares ahead of time she is not going to worlds and you don't understand why she didn't try to destroy herself during marathon training season on the final quarter?
okay then
oh and Huddle is 35, Houlihan in 25, distance vs speed right there, both are incredible for their specialty
Agree with the sentiment 100%, but Huddle is 34
So there is that wrote:
no sub-2 wrote:
No sub-15 for Decker. I know Decker moved up in distance as she got older, Decker was a classic 800/1500 runner.
Obviously it was a different era, but even though she didn't go sub-15, she did hold world records in the 5000 & 10000 (and 1500).
A different era? Yes, the tracks and the shoes were not as fast in 1980's.
Decker would have beaten Houlihan 100 times out of 100 at 800 metres.
I have not implied or accused Houlihan of PED use. That said, if Houlihan were to race 1:57 or 1:58 800m while training as a 1500/5000 athlete, I will join the group who thinks Houlihan is not PED clean.
She just looks different. Something anabolic is happening. Probably massive abuse of asthma meds. Or maybe even testo, a very small amount will go a long way for women.
no sub-2 wrote:
So there is that wrote:
Obviously it was a different era, but even though she didn't go sub-15, she did hold world records in the 5000 & 10000 (and 1500).
A different era? Yes, the tracks and the shoes were not as fast in 1980's.
Decker would have beaten Houlihan 100 times out of 100 at 800 metres.
I have not implied or accused Houlihan of PED use. That said, if Houlihan were to race 1:57 or 1:58 800m while training as a 1500/5000 athlete, I will join the group who thinks Houlihan is not PED clean.
Nah, Houlihan beats Decker at least 50 times.
You don't run, do you?
Looker wrote:
She just looks different. Something anabolic is happening. Probably massive abuse of asthma meds. Or maybe even testo, a very small amount will go a long way for women.
The answer is: no spleen. Allows her to get the most out of her spherical blood cells.
Why should someone who can run a 57 last lap in a overall not so slow 1500m (as Houlihan did last summer, I think) not be able to run a 57-62 800m. Klosterhalfen has not much of a kick and never finished any race with an under 60 lap but she ran such an 800m in 2017. Houlihan is clearly faster and has a much better kick, so she should be able to do a sub2 800 with her normal 1500m training.
She lives and trains with the other best female US distance runners. They’re the ones that stand to lose the most by her doping. If she’s doping, they know about it. If she’s doping, they’re all doping. Likewise for the men’s side of Bowerman. The Bowerman Track Club is universally respected by all other professional clubs in a way that NOP obviously isn’t. So other professionals think Bowerman is clean. Professionals know way more than anonymous trolls about who’s doping and who isn’t. If they think Bowerman and by extension Houlihan is clean...their word matters.
Jo72 wrote:
Why should someone who can run a 57 last lap in a overall not so slow 1500m (as Houlihan did last summer, I think) not be able to run a 57-62 800m. Klosterhalfen has not much of a kick and never finished any race with an under 60 lap but she ran such an 800m in 2017. Houlihan is clearly faster and has a much better kick, so she should be able to do a sub2 800 with her normal 1500m training.
Some folks really think that training for each event is incredibly specific. To a ludicrous degree.
Jo72 wrote:
Why should someone who can run a 57 last lap in a overall not so slow 1500m (as Houlihan did last summer, I think) not be able to run a 57-62 800m. Klosterhalfen has not much of a kick and never finished any race with an under 60 lap but she ran such an 800m in 2017. Houlihan is clearly faster and has a much better kick, so she should be able to do a sub2 800 with her normal 1500m training.
Looking at how fast a 5000m runner kicks last 400m then assuming greatness at 800m is ridiculous. If John Walker did not race 800m at 1976 Olympics, you guys would have started a couple dozen threads stating Walker would have beaten Juantorena in 800m based on Walker's final 300m during 1500m final at '76 Olympics.
Why don't you guys start threads saying Miruts Yifter would have beaten Ovett & Coe in 800m based on Yifter's final 300m in 5000m final, 1980 Olympics? Why don't you guys start threads stating Fermin Cacho would have won 1992 Olympics 800m based on Cacho's final 300m, 1992 Olympics, 1500m F? Why don't you guys start threads stating Centrowitz would have beaten David Rudisha in 800m based on Centrowitz' final 300m, 2016 Olympics 1500m?
The Walker, Yifter, Cacho and Centrowitz examples sound ridiculous. Your Houlihan as a secret elite 800m runner is also ridiculous.
ShipYard wrote:
She lives and trains with the other best female US distance runners. They’re the ones that stand to lose the most by her doping. If she’s doping, they know about it. If she’s doping, they’re all doping. Likewise for the men’s side of Bowerman. The Bowerman Track Club is universally respected by all other professional clubs in a way that NOP obviously isn’t. So other professionals think Bowerman is clean. Professionals know way more than anonymous trolls about who’s doping and who isn’t. If they think Bowerman and by extension Houlihan is clean...their word matters.
No, their opinion does not matter.
In fact they're the ones most likely to be covering it up, meanwhile accusing someone else.
Looker wrote:
She just looks different. Something anabolic is happening. Probably massive abuse of asthma meds. Or maybe even testo, a very small amount will go a long way for women.
She has said her diet wasn’t good until recently. Look at pictures from HS and college. She’s always been jacked compared to the typical emaciated female distance runner. I think she looks more lean and fit but the transformation could be explained as above.
Not really jack wrote:
Looker wrote:
She just looks different. Something anabolic is happening. Probably massive abuse of asthma meds. Or maybe even testo, a very small amount will go a long way for women.
She has said her diet wasn’t good until recently. Look at pictures from HS and college. She’s always been jacked compared to the typical emaciated female distance runner. I think she looks more lean and fit but the transformation could be explained as above.
Meaning she has natural muscular build and recently improved her diet
Yeah well cycling sucks, it's a prissy a55 sport.
zapnathaz@gmail.comwrote:
In cycling if a rider does no work , letting another do all the work then jumps on it for the win , is pretty disgusting. Here we
have Molly do all the work with Shelby tucked in , then boom , Shelby steps on the gas and pulls away for the win . Here ,
again , pretty disgusting . Rather than impressive i'd call it depressive . Shelby should be ashamed of her self.
Drunk Letsrun wrote:
Yeah well cycling sucks, it's a prissy a55 sport.
zapnathaz@gmail.comwrote:
In cycling if a rider does no work , letting another do all the work then jumps on it for the win , is pretty disgusting. Here we
have Molly do all the work with Shelby tucked in , then boom , Shelby steps on the gas and pulls away for the win . Here ,
again , pretty disgusting . Rather than impressive i'd call it depressive . Shelby should be ashamed of her self.
Not the same at all. Cycling draft is huge compared to running draft and how do you know Huddle did all the work?
no sub-2 wrote:
Jo72 wrote:
Why should someone who can run a 57 last lap in a overall not so slow 1500m (as Houlihan did last summer, I think) not be able to run a 57-62 800m. Klosterhalfen has not much of a kick and never finished any race with an under 60 lap but she ran such an 800m in 2017. Houlihan is clearly faster and has a much better kick, so she should be able to do a sub2 800 with her normal 1500m training.
Looking at how fast a 5000m runner kicks last 400m then assuming greatness at 800m is ridiculous. If John Walker did not race 800m at 1976 Olympics, you guys would have started a couple dozen threads stating Walker would have beaten Juantorena in 800m based on Walker's final 300m during 1500m final at '76 Olympics.
Why don't you guys start threads saying Miruts Yifter would have beaten Ovett & Coe in 800m based on Yifter's final 300m in 5000m final, 1980 Olympics? Why don't you guys start threads stating Fermin Cacho would have won 1992 Olympics 800m based on Cacho's final 300m, 1992 Olympics, 1500m F? Why don't you guys start threads stating Centrowitz would have beaten David Rudisha in 800m based on Centrowitz' final 300m, 2016 Olympics 1500m?
The Walker, Yifter, Cacho and Centrowitz examples sound ridiculous. Your Houlihan as a secret elite 800m runner is also ridiculous.
That's a lot of rage. The point is that she could easily run sub 2.. Whether that is elite or not is irrelevant.
You ran off like a lunatic with your beating Rudisha stuff.
Nobody said she was going to drop a 1:53 and beat Caster.
Race me at distance a bit shorter and find out.
Not really jack wrote:
Not really jack wrote:
She has said her diet wasn’t good until recently. Look at pictures from HS and college. She’s always been jacked compared to the typical emaciated female distance runner. I think she looks more lean and fit but the transformation could be explained as above.
Meaning she has natural muscular build and recently improved her diet
It sounds like the main addition to her diet was mileage.
When your diet is dialed, you can really up your mileage. Two months of carnivore for me and effortlessly setting PRs for mileage, with nary a niggle.
I really get tired of the "they're all doping" theme on Let's Run. Houlihan has run one U.S. record time, but in general are her times out of this world? No. Did she come out of nowhere? No. She's been a standout runner since high school and through college. Plus, is she even the fastest in the world at any distance? No.
There are a lot of U.S. runners I suspect of doping. But Houlihan isn't one of them. In order for doping accusations to be credible, you either have to have a positive test (that would be, of course, "disputed"), a lot of suspicious coaches or contacts, incredible improvements, or some unbelievable times. Does Houlihan have any of these? Not that I know. Until she does, I think we owe it to her to stop the "Houlihan is doping" threads which appear every time she wins, because as she has said, its pretty demeaning of her achievements.
sick of unfounded doping accusations wrote:
I really get tired of the "they're all doping" theme on Let's Run. Houlihan has run one U.S. record time, but in general are her times out of this world? No. Did she come out of nowhere? No. She's been a standout runner since high school and through college. Plus, is she even the fastest in the world at any distance? No.
There are a lot of U.S. runners I suspect of doping. But Houlihan isn't one of them. In order for doping accusations to be credible, you either have to have a positive test (that would be, of course, "disputed"), a lot of suspicious coaches or contacts, incredible improvements, or some unbelievable times. Does Houlihan have any of these? Not that I know. Until she does, I think we owe it to her to stop the "Houlihan is doping" threads which appear every time she wins, because as she has said, its pretty demeaning of her achievements.
+1
If your only argument for doping accusations is "They are too fast", just stop following the elites. Go watch a high school or middle school meet or better yet, help put one on.