That was Impressive. Shelby Houlihan CRUSHES Molly Huddle Over Final Quarter to Win USA Cross

Jo72 wrote:

YMMV wrote:

She seems perfect for the sub- 2:00/4:00/15:00 club. I'm only certain of Slaney and Rowbury for that one. It's a toughie, even Jenny MF Simpson hasn't made it.

https://trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/showthread.php?153585-sub-2-sub-4-sub-8-30-sub-15-women

Genzebe Dibaba 1:59.37, 3:50.07, 8:16.60i, 14:18.86i

Laura Muir 1:58.69, 3:55.22, 8:26.41i, 14:49.12i

Maryam Jamal 1:57.80, 3:56.18, 8:28.87, 14:51.68

Sifan Hassan 1:56.81, 3:56.05, 8:28.90, 14:41.24

Shannon Rowbury 1:59.97, 3:56.29, 8:29.93, 14:38.92

Klosterhalfen 1:59.65, 3:58.92, 8:29.89, 14:51.38

Faith Kipyegon: 1:58.02-3:56.41-8:23.55-14:31.95

Mentioned in the linked thread as "close" are Obiri and Simpson. Klosterhalfen was the youngest to achieve this (at 20), Hassan has a better 3k time by now, I am too lazy to correct that because it does not matter.

There are a few more if you scratch the 3k and especially if you scratch the sub 2.

Houlihan should easily be able to run sub 2.

Are we again going to have a dozen threads and hundreds of post stating Houlihan is a secret sub- two minute 800m runner.

Thanks for the research.

Do you think she's clean?

not this again! wrote:

Jo72 wrote:

https://trackandfieldnews.com/discussion/showthread.php?153585-sub-2-sub-4-sub-8-30-sub-15-women

Genzebe Dibaba 1:59.37, 3:50.07, 8:16.60i, 14:18.86i

Laura Muir 1:58.69, 3:55.22, 8:26.41i, 14:49.12i

Maryam Jamal 1:57.80, 3:56.18, 8:28.87, 14:51.68

Sifan Hassan 1:56.81, 3:56.05, 8:28.90, 14:41.24

Shannon Rowbury 1:59.97, 3:56.29, 8:29.93, 14:38.92

Klosterhalfen 1:59.65, 3:58.92, 8:29.89, 14:51.38

Faith Kipyegon: 1:58.02-3:56.41-8:23.55-14:31.95

Mentioned in the linked thread as "close" are Obiri and Simpson. Klosterhalfen was the youngest to achieve this (at 20), Hassan has a better 3k time by now, I am too lazy to correct that because it does not matter.

There are a few more if you scratch the 3k and especially if you scratch the sub 2.

Houlihan should easily be able to run sub 2.

Are we again going to have a dozen threads and hundreds of post stating Houlihan is a secret sub- two minute 800m runner.

Houlihan will kick the last 800 of a 1500 in sub 2. Moran

no sub-2 wrote:

Since Houlihan is not going to train as an 800m runner or an 800/1500 runner, Houlihan will not set new PR's in 800m. .

LOL. Do you even run. ? Like she needs to "train as an 800 runner". Houlihan is of the Ovett, Snell, heck even Ramzi mould.

wejo wrote:

I really didn't think she'd win this race and she absolutely looked like a boss. Just destroyed Huddle that final quarter mile.

Wejo:

1. You should remove any comments from any thread that make unfounded drug accusations- as in the one on this thread.

There's no place for that. Calling out drug cheats who've been caught is fine but these losers who call drug cheats because someone is fast have to go.

2. I didn't think she's win either until the got to about 8K- she looked easy and I figured she's let it go longer than she did and just out kick the others. She looked great.

runn wrote:

Wejo:

1. You should remove any comments from any thread that make unfounded drug accusations- as in the one on this thread.

There's no place for that. Calling out drug cheats who've been caught is fine but these losers who call drug cheats because someone is fast have to go.

See page 2 of this thread from a couple days ago. Wejo addressed this very topic.

I forgot the link

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=9224248

Being accused of doping as a clean athlete is the highest compliment. That's why few athletes really care. If they do they probably ARE doping.

They doth protest too much wrote:

Being accused of doping as a clean athlete is the highest compliment. That's why few athletes really care. If they do they probably ARE doping.

Given her rise, and the black box group that BTC is, Shelby seems dirty. Really dirty.

Shelby - wrote:

They doth protest too much wrote:

Being accused of doping as a clean athlete is the highest compliment. That's why few athletes really care. If they do they probably ARE doping.

Given her rise, and the black box group that BTC is, Shelby seems dirty. Really dirty.

Than You

no sub-2 wrote:

No sub-15 for Decker. I know Decker moved up in distance as she got older, Decker was a classic 800/1500 runner.

Obviously it was a different era, but even though she didn't go sub-15, she did hold world records in the 5000 & 10000 (and 1500).

runn wrote:

You should remove any comments from any thread that make unfounded drug accusations- as in the one on this thread.

There's no place for that. Calling out drug cheats who've been caught is fine but these losers who call drug cheats because someone is fast have to go.

Oh, come on. Lots of serious and respectful track fans disagree with you about which drug accusations are unfounded. Given the history of drug use in the sport, it seems naive to dismiss them out-of-hand as "losers."

I guess you want us to ignore Radcliffe's Rule: You only know for sure about yourself.

She's on something. Might be legal, but she's on something. It's not thyroid, because every other American woman is on it too. Maybe a TUE connected to having her spleen removed.

They doth protest too much wrote:

Being accused of doping as a clean athlete is the highest compliment. That's why few athletes really care. If they do they probably ARE doping.

My daughter as an artist had to prove several times that she was not tracing at a young age. She took it as a compliment also. We still laugh about it.

In cycling if a rider does no work , letting another do all the work then jumps on it for the win , is pretty disgusting. Here we

have Molly do all the work with Shelby tucked in , then boom , Shelby steps on the gas and pulls away for the win . Here ,

again , pretty disgusting . Rather than impressive i'd call it depressive . Shelby should be ashamed of her self.

so Huddle declares ahead of time she is not going to worlds and you don't understand why she didn't try to destroy herself during marathon training season on the final quarter?

okay then

oh and Huddle is 35, Houlihan in 25, distance vs speed right there, both are incredible for their specialty

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wrote:

In cycling if a rider does no work , letting another do all the work then jumps on it for the win , is pretty disgusting. Here we

have Molly do all the work with Shelby tucked in , then boom , Shelby steps on the gas and pulls away for the win . Here ,

again , pretty disgusting . Rather than impressive i'd call it depressive . Shelby should be ashamed of her self.

Fortunately running is not cycling.

Demo here wrote:

She's on something. Might be legal, but she's on something. It's not thyroid, because every other American woman is on it too. Maybe a TUE connected to having her spleen removed.

She is about as supicious or not as many others on that sub4 etc-list above.

But in addition to her extraordinary improvement at 24-25 (how often do you find someone who at this age improves from good to great with an astonishing range so that she could dominate the rest of the US from 1500-10k and would be among the top 3 US 800m runners if she focussed on 800/1500) I also find that she simply looks strange.

Maybe that's just the way she looks, though, although she is considerably more muscular and/or leaner than in 2017. (A few months ago the video of the Berlin 1500m was discussed here where she fades after the middle of the race and she both looked and especially ran differently in 2018.)

Shelby - wrote:

They doth protest too much wrote:

Being accused of doping as a clean athlete is the highest compliment. That's why few athletes really care. If they do they probably ARE doping.

Given her rise, and the black box group that BTC is, Shelby seems dirty. Really dirty.

How fast is she (or anyone) allowed to go/how successful is she (or anyone) allowed to be/what rate must their progression not exceed before she trips your "she's doping" meter?