What is the most corrupt country you've ever visited?

Afghanistan

172/180

Coevett wrote:

name is mudd wrote:

Sorry Coevett, it doesn’t beg the question of why Russia was banned and Kenya was not. Anyone with a brain realizes that the corruption index is based on many more things that are actually important. But glad you and HRH can use it to justify your hate.

Says the weirdo Spade Detector who has to use multiple handles to pretend that more than two or three Kenyan dopers here actually agree with him. Still fuming you didn't manage to get me banned? Develop a tougher skin snowflake. And btw, don't ever visit any of the countries at the bottom half of this list. You'd get eaten alive. Stay in your white middle-class suburb with the only black face you see being your poorly paid cleaner, and troll away all day on your keyboard in safety.

Haha wait, what?! Not me, my man. Thanks for letting me live in your head rent-free.

MexiKenyan wrote:

I have traveled in North America, South America, and Europe (not ex Eastern Block). In Mexico, everything can be bought. Stopped for some traffic violation? The police officer will outright ask you for a bribe with an amount written down. This has never happened to anyone I know in the US.

Sure, it happens in the USA. You also have rogue cops who ask women for sexual favors for getting rid of tickets. We had someone busted here for that (Indianapolis). It's not endemic here, though -- cops make a good living and have a pension to look forward to.

Cops in Mexico make about$350-$400 US per month. Pretty easy to corrupt someone who has a little power but can't make ends meet.

Hardloper wrote:

Venezuela (#168/180), but it wasn't nearly as bad back then

That's because the U.S. keeps messing with their politics.

If the U.S. would stop harassing them and leave them alone, they'd be fine.

The United States 2019 wrote:

The United States in 2019.

^This. All due to the horrendous leadership of Trump. His administration will go down as among the most corrupt in History—which includes(and is limited to) Grant, Harding, and Nixon—EVERYONE agrees.

Danny Democrat wrote:

MexiKenyan wrote:

I have traveled in North America, South America, and Europe (not ex Eastern Block). In Mexico, everything can be bought. Stopped for some traffic violation? The police officer will outright ask you for a bribe with an amount written down. This has never happened to anyone I know in the US.

Sure, it happens in the USA. You also have rogue cops who ask women for sexual favors for getting rid of tickets. We had someone busted here for that (Indianapolis). It's not endemic here, though -- cops make a good living and have a pension to look forward to.

Cops in Mexico make about$350-$400 US per month. Pretty easy to corrupt someone who has a little power but can't make ends meet.

Agreed. It does happen, but far less in the US. However, we are headed that direction by demonizing intelligence agencies, law enforcement, schools, and pension jobs in general. Meanwhile we allow those with money to get away with almost anything.

I rented a car in Mexico recently, in Hermosillo, and drove with my wife to Guaymas. On our way back to the airport, I was pulled over. The officer said I needed to go immediately to a police station across town and pay a fine. I assumed he was suggesting that I could avoid that by paying him directly.

When I told him I didn't have time to go across town, because I was on the way to the airport and my flight was leaving soon, he said (in Spanish) "Oh, you don't want to miss you flight. Get going! Have a nice day!"

I love Mexico, always have, always will.

Does California (specifically No Cal) qualify?

Well, I currently live in Russia and I work for a multinatuinal Corp that does a lot of business with and from China.

Russia and former soviet countries are advanced in terms of low to High level corruption. Petty bribery is wide spread.

China is even worse.

But the worst? Germany, US, UK. Top level scam schemes done under the pretence of total law compliance.

Sports wise, being an enthusiatic hobbyjogger I have befriended many local elite and mostly sub elite athletes. Doping had been enourmously wide spread 3-4 years ago. Everyone's open on that. Now it seems Russian Pros are clean.

Dunno about other athletic societies but I believe a lot of worldwide Pros dope. I hear all sorts of really valid reasons on why they think it's ok.

Worked my way up from the bottom of the list until I got to a place I've been. Looks like tie, Russia and Mexico (28/138).

Ex Runner wrote:

Looking at the list of most corrupt countries published yesterday it's the Ukraine, which is 120th least corrupt out of 180.

I guess for most of you it will be Kenya, as a lot of you come from there or go there to train and dope. Kenya is rated even more corrupt than Russia, which begs the question again why Russia has been banned and not Kenya.

https://www.tuko.co.ke/297242-kenya-ranked-14th-corrupt-country-globally-corruption-perceptions-index-2018.html#297242https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6643529/Somalia-named-worlds-corrupt-country-Denmark-one-watch.html

It doesn’t beg the question, it raises the question. These expressions mean entirely different things.

It is Haiti for me. Interesting place.

Danny Democrat wrote:

Sure, it happens in the USA. You also have rogue cops who ask women for sexual favors for getting rid of tickets. We had someone busted here for that (Indianapolis). It's not endemic here, though -- cops make a good living and have a pension to look forward to.

Not endemic here?

Other than cops constantly murdering people in broad daylight, posting the videos and getting away with it.

Corruption starts at the top—Trump wrote:

The United States 2019 wrote:

The United States in 2019.

^This. All due to the horrendous leadership of Trump. His administration will go down as among the most corrupt in History—which includes(and is limited to) Grant, Harding, and Nixon—EVERYONE agrees.

Have you already forgotten about Slick Willy and his wife? They shredded more documents than Taco Bell shreds lettuce.

Corruption starts at the top—Trump wrote:

The United States 2019 wrote:

The United States in 2019.

^This. All due to the horrendous leadership of Trump. His administration will go down as among the most corrupt in History—which includes(and is limited to) Grant, Harding, and Nixon—EVERYONE agrees.

Yeah right. Where are the empirical facts to support that the US is the most corrupt?

Every hierarchy in every domain has a tendency towards corruption. The US democratic system isn't perfect by any means, but it is the best we got to solve very complex issues with society, power, and justice.

Only assuming you live in the US or any democratic state for that matter: Its outstanding to me that the people who live in this country are so vapid that they believe the world around them is somehow better than what they already have. You have the best the world has to offer for gods sake. Visit San Pedro Sula or the streets of Baghdad and let me know how that presupposition holds.

United States has its own subset of problems, of course. We recognize that because we live in it. But Jesus Christ, living in Flint or hearing whatever "corruption" the Donald " has done" (Where are the facts?) doesn't even compare. The poorest people in the US are still wealthier than a large percent of the world. It is precisely because we have a system that works and is not inherently corrupt. For christ sake if it was so corrupt as you ignorant brats proclaim it to be you wouldn't even be allowed to type the vomit that comes out of your keystrokes.

I'm not saying its perfect. But it is a pretty damn good system. Abstract the good from that and realize there are places that don't have that at all and you are subject to the corruption around it. Be it if were a Soviet, or a 6 year old boy rock mining diamonds in Sierra Leone.

I've stood on Venezualan ground at the airport whilst the plane to Peru refuelled but didn't go through passport control so not sure if that counts.

Actually through passport control I've been to Turkmenistan bird-watching. Lovely place.

Whatiswrongwithyoupeople wrote:

Corruption starts at the top—Trump wrote:

^This. All due to the horrendous leadership of Trump. His administration will go down as among the most corrupt in History—which includes(and is limited to) Grant, Harding, and Nixon—EVERYONE agrees.

Yeah right. Where are the empirical facts to support that the US is the most corrupt?

'the data is based on data from the World Bank '

The World Bank is based in and controlled by the USA. They made up the corruption data. That's how corrupt they are.

1. Canada, Mexico (tie)

2. Syria

3. Iran

4. California

5. NY

#9. Zimbabwe

#14. Kenya and Nigeria

#15. Mexico