23 miles at 6:07 pace is "easy" for Jordan MF Hasay. Discuss.

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  • sanchobaile
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    1 year ago 01/28/2019 7:26pm CST
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    Jordan posted this on her instagram story:

    "Easy 23 miler happened to equal marathon pb haha" with a photo of her watch reading 2:20:57.

    That's 44 secs per mile slower than her marathon PB pace.

    Sounds kind of crazy to me. She's clearly already back in great shape. The question is, is she burning the candle too hot?
  • sanchobaile
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    1 year ago 01/28/2019 7:28pm CST
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    and no it wasn't a typo, because then the post said, "just need to add 3.2"
  • please elaborate further
    1 year ago 01/28/2019 7:34pm CST
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    sanchobaile wrote:

    Sounds kind of crazy to me.


    What exactly is crazy about it?
  • Hgsdnnc
    1 year ago 01/28/2019 7:39pm CST
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    It's probably on the faster end of an easy run for her, but it's not too crazy. Except she is just coming back from an injury, so it might not be smart for her to try that right now.
  • sanchobaile
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    1 year ago 01/28/2019 7:45pm CST
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    please elaborate further wrote:

    sanchobaile wrote:

    Sounds kind of crazy to me.


    What exactly is crazy about it?


    That's 44 secs per mile slower than her marathon PB pace.

    For an easy run.
  • please elaborate further
    1 year ago 01/28/2019 7:47pm CST
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    sanchobaile wrote:

    please elaborate further wrote:

    sanchobaile wrote:

    Sounds kind of crazy to me.


    What exactly is crazy about it?


    That's 44 secs per mile slower than her marathon PB pace.

    For an easy run.


    Thanks for the arithmetic lesson. What, exactly, is crazy about it?
  • Get Him to the Greek
    1 year ago 01/28/2019 7:47pm CST
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    Faster than Alexi Pappas MP ( and mine too).
  • Alexi wishes
    1 year ago 01/28/2019 8:08pm CST
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    Alexi Pappas will be lucky if she manages that in her next race.
  • douglas burke
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    1 year ago 01/28/2019 8:12pm CST
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    Get Him to the Greek wrote:

    Faster than Alexi Pappas MP ( and mine too).


    I think Alexi Pappas should work on her 5000 and 10000 first, get under 15 minutes in the 5000 and 31 minutes in the 10000 on a consistent basis then run another Marathon.
  • reed
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    1 year ago 01/28/2019 8:40pm CST
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    douglas burke wrote:

    Get Him to the Greek wrote:

    Faster than Alexi Pappas MP ( and mine too).


    I think Alexi Pappas should work on her 5000 and 10000 first, get under 15 minutes in the 5000 and 31 minutes in the 10000 on a consistent basis then run another Marathon.


    why should she do that? and what makes you think she CAN do that?

    Pappas should just try to go run under 2:30 so she can get appearance $$ at various mid-tier marathons, and then do that for the next few years in between olympic and WC races.

    As for Hasay, 23 at 6:07 isn't that crazy if your MP is about 5:20s. my MP is more like 5:40s and I did 24mi in 6:25s the other day, so basically the same effort she did. It definitely was "easy" in that it wasn't really a workout and it was relaxed.
  • shesaprincess
    1 year ago 01/28/2019 8:46pm CST
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    On an Alter-G treadmill, or out in the real world? Wasn't she recently injured?

    And she can do anything for 3 minutes!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1hWGjnHGpY
  • is jordan back, baby?
    1 year ago 01/29/2019 7:05am CST
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    I can't view instagram stories, but was it on the roads or a treadmill? She's been hawking an alter-g knockoff on IG lately too
  • Tmguyraz
    1 year ago 01/29/2019 8:17am CST
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    It’s not a knock off, it’s actually a different concept that is much less expensive and provides for a more natural running form. Lightspeed Lift is the name. If you want to see a knock off, check out the Boost. Now that is a knockoff!
  • Hobbyjogger53
    1 year ago 01/29/2019 8:36am CST
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    sanchobaile wrote:
    That's 44 secs per mile slower than her marathon PB pace.

    For an easy run.


    For 23 miles that may be somewhat tough, but maybe OK if you are a pro athlete.
    I mean my PB marathon pace is 6:15-ish. Given OK conditions outside (ie not ice on every road or trail like now) 7 minute pace is pretty easy. I have to hold myself back on easy days to run slower than that. Only gets somewhat challenging when you get to double digit miles, otherwise feels the same as 'regular' easy.
  • Hanzo
    1 year ago 01/29/2019 8:45am CST
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    According to Daniels calculator, her easy pace with her Marathon PR should be 6:11-6:34/mile. So it was slightly faster than that.

    However, keep in mind Jordan is probably the MOST slow-twitch runner ever. Her PRs of 1500, 3k, 5k and 10k are disgustingly slow in comparison to her Marathon/HM times. No matter which calculator I use (Daniels, Tinman, etc) the times of 15:30 and 31:40 seem to be much worse than her 2:21 marathon. Hell, even Gwen Jorgensen ran faster 5k/10k but is more than 15 mins slower in the full marathon.

    Being so extremely on the slow-twitch side muscle-fiber wise makes an easy run at this pace much more manageable for her than for a balanced runner. A fast-twitch runner would have to run considerably slower on her easy days in relation.
  • Wolf's Bane
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    1 year ago 01/29/2019 8:52am CST
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    Elite women's marathoners run in the low 220s or high 2teens. A 240 marathon should be moderate for them, which is what most elites mean when they say easy. Maybe Jordan is in 219 shape, but I expect mid to high 220s from her.
  • jcaweiioj fd;
    1 year ago 01/29/2019 9:44am CST
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    I think you meant to day "discus" in the thread title ;)
  • Sub Elitist
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    1 year ago 01/29/2019 9:57am CST
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    Perfect example of how difficult it is to go from 2:40 to 2:20. When you can hold 5:20 pace, 6:03s should be a Sunday jog.
  • Slow Bro
    1 year ago 01/29/2019 10:30am CST
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    My PB marathon pace is 7:20. So this would be like a 23 miler at 8:04, which wouldn't be all that crazy.

    But I'm also a low-mileage (40 mpw) 41 year-old dude who weighs probably 65 pounds more than Jordan, so it'd take considerably more out of me than it would her. In other words, I don't think I'd ever do it.
  • Inerestingcommenting
    1 year ago 01/29/2019 11:27am CST
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    Wolf's Bane wrote:

    Elite women's marathoners run in the low 220s or high 2teens. A 240 marathon should be moderate for them, which is what most elites mean when they say easy. Maybe Jordan is in 219 shape, but I expect mid to high 220s from her.


    If that is true then why did Bill Rodgers and others sometimes run 8 minute mile pace?
    I think many of us need to redefine what we call Easy!!!