Star wrote:
I don’t see how anyone could watch that four hour documentary and defend Michael Jackson.
Just like any court case, where you get 4 weeks of evidence AND THEN the defense gets to speak.... that can often turn things TOTALLY around when you hear BOTH SIDES.
Who knows how much the MEDIA made up in the documentary.
They do it all the time. They have NO credibility.
Audi alteram partem wrote:
Star wrote:
I don’t see how anyone could watch that four hour documentary and defend Michael Jackson.
Just like any court case, where you get 4 weeks of evidence AND THEN the defense gets to speak.... that can often turn things TOTALLY around when you hear BOTH SIDES.
Who knows how much the MEDIA made up in the documentary.
They do it all the time. They have NO credibility.
If that's so, then you can't believe the Michael Jackson defenders in the media, either. More hype and bs.
Did you watch it?
Sally Vix wrote:
killermike wrote:
How on earth is it in anyway a situation where I share part of the burden when I live thousands of miles away, know no one involved and had absolutely no way to do anything about it?
If I had no causal role in it, how do I share culpability? Culpability requires causation.
That was not me saying you were in part culpable.
Putting dead people on trail aint right wrote:
Never a fan of Jacko or his music, and always found it weird his obsession with little boys, but am I the only one who has problems with digging people out of their graves and putting them on trial and condemning them to being guilty as charged and eternal hell for providing no defence?
It's been happening in the UK for several years, but this seems to be the first (probably of many) in the USA.
The media are slandering Jacko as a child rapist on the evidence of an art film which consists of the testimony of two paid purjerers who had both previously testified on oath that Jackson had NOT abused them in any way.
If he was raping little kids then it's a grave failing of the police, media, everybody at the time not to notice it and stop it. Jacko was thoroughly investigated when he was alive and the cops couldn't find anything. Yet now he's dead, the word of two purjerers means we should all assume he was guilty??
I wonder how long it will be before his music is taken off the airwaves, banned from YouTube etc?
And I wonder who'll be next? It's almost like generation snowflake is trying to erase all of popular culture and create a Year Zero.
Why not do the same for some of their icons? Didn't America just recently celebrate MLK day - a widely known paedophile who had sexual relations with young teen girls and was by all accounts a misogynist and abuser.
How many cases of child axs rape will it take before we start to deconstruct why dudes (and it's always dudes) do this? Maybe we as a society can figure out the problem for once instead of condemning the action after it's done.
Well he destroyed a little bit of my relationship with my son, he still
hates me for suddenly, out of the blue saying he was not allowed to play Thriller anymore.
This was back in 1992 I think.
So Michael Jackson is dead.
I am not sickened by the hunt.
I just think we should let the dead be dead and thats all.
Joy Robson: “I have some really, really happy memories from Neverland. We’d drive in and forget about everything that was going on in your life. Forget about all your problems. You were in Neverland. It was a fantasy.”
For those who think it is all a "media" concoction, the claims of abuse are made by individuals who stayed with Jackson as children. Whether you choose to believe them or not, their accounts aren't fabrications by journalists. In a courtroom their testimony would be evidence. That Jackson denied allegations like this when he was alive didn't mean he must be telling the truth. Lance Armstrong and doping. Or OJ.
In a courtroom their testimony would be evidence.
In a courtroom, Michael Jackson was found NOT GUILTY!
Wade Robson testified in court and at other times in the past that Michael Jackson never did anything to him. Now that he's dead, he's coming forward. It's so OBVIOUSLY being done for money and attention.
i dont think he was a witch, but paid people off so he couldnt be labelled a child molester
Putting dead people on trail aint right wrote:
Never a fan of Jacko or his music, and always found it weird his obsession with little boys, but am I the only one who has problems with digging people out of their graves and putting them on trial and condemning them to being guilty as charged and eternal hell for providing no defence?
Yes, I think it is just you plus any other contrarians who think it cool to adopt such a position, it is similar in a way to those who defend race cheats.
Releasing Doves wrote:
In a courtroom their testimony would be evidence.
In a courtroom, Michael Jackson was found NOT GUILTY!
Yes, like O.J was. Before his civil trial. "Not guilty" only means not proven beyond reasonable doubt; it doesn't preclude guilt on the balance of probabilities, which is the test in a civil case - and it certainly doesn't mean proven innocent. When there are several independent accusations against Jackson, by those who knew him, what is the probability that the allegations that he was an abuser are true?
Armstronglivs wrote:
When there are several independent accusations against Jackson, by those who knew him, what is the probability that the allegations that he was an abuser are true?
Independent accusations? When each accuser knows exactly what the previous accuser said, the accusations are not independent. They are just copying what the previous ones said. When you interrogate two people in separate rooms with no communications allowed, and you come up with the same story from each, then those statements are independent.
Releasing Doves wrote:
In a courtroom their testimony would be evidence.
In a courtroom, Michael Jackson was found NOT GUILTY!
Being found not guilty doesn’t mean he/she didn’t do anything. Innocent people don’t pay 20 or so million dollars to a family to make them go away. It would take much less to hire a team of attorneys to PROVE innocence.
F U Bailey, Esq wrote:
Releasing Doves wrote:
In a courtroom, Michael Jackson was found NOT GUILTY!
Being found not guilty doesn’t mean he/she didn’t do anything. Innocent people don’t pay 20 or so million dollars to a family to make them go away. It would take much less to hire a team of attorneys to PROVE innocence.
He didn't pay $20M. His insurance company did.
SprintTriathlon wrote:
I just think we should let the dead be dead and thats all.
The dead will stay dead.
But these men continue to live and need to heal.
They have lifelong trauma from this and now have kids of their own.
When the first one, Wade spoke out publicly it inspired James to speak out. Knowing someone else was affected helped him come to terms with his demons.
And through this we all learn how people can be manipulated and understand what happened.
And maybe prevent something like this from happening again.
There were likely other children now grown that went through this in silence and see this as therapy for them.
This isn't about Michael Jackson, this is about the damage that he left behind.
Star wrote:
SprintTriathlon wrote:
I just think we should let the dead be dead and thats all.
The dead will stay dead.
But these men continue to live and need to heal.
They have lifelong trauma from this and now have kids of their own.
Are you suggesting a dead person deserves no respect because he is already dead?
Murder victims stay dead. The convicted murderer has to live with the crime he committed for the rest of his life.
Does that mean we should be more concerned about how to rehabilitate the murderer than honoring the victim?
We don't know whether Jackson really molested those two kids or not. And we will probably never know. But the bottom line is that there is absolutely no way for Jackson to defend his honor, because he is already dead. The accusers can claim whatever they want to, without having any possibility of their claim refuted by the accused. There is fundamental unevenness here.
Putting dead people on trail aint right wrote:
Never a fan of Jacko or his music, and always found it weird his obsession with little boys, but am I the only one who has problems with digging people out of their graves and putting them on trial and condemning them to being guilty as charged and eternal hell for providing no defence?
It's been happening in the UK for several years, but this seems to be the first (probably of many) in the USA.
The media are slandering Jacko as a child rapist on the evidence of an art film which consists of the testimony of two paid purjerers who had both previously testified on oath that Jackson had NOT abused them in any way.
If he was raping little kids then it's a grave failing of the police, media, everybody at the time not to notice it and stop it. Jacko was thoroughly investigated when he was alive and the cops couldn't find anything. Yet now he's dead, the word of two purjerers means we should all assume he was guilty??
I wonder how long it will be before his music is taken off the airwaves, banned from YouTube etc?
And I wonder who'll be next? It's almost like generation snowflake is trying to erase all of popular culture and create a Year Zero.
Why not do the same for some of their icons? Didn't America just recently celebrate MLK day - a widely known paedophile who had sexual relations with young teen girls and was by all accounts a misogynist and abuser.
I'm sure MJ could care less. He's taking a long dirt nap and has been for quite some time now.
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