Don’t you think having a cleaning lady/guy at your house is bad education?

No but I'll defend your right to have that opinion.

How do you feel about single childless adults who have learned and demonstrated they can keep a respectable home deciding to hire some one to do those mundane tasks?

wineturtle wrote:

No but I'll defend your right to have that opinion.

How do you feel about single childless adults who have learned and demonstrated they can keep a respectable home deciding to hire some one to do those mundane tasks?

As a cleaning guy I think it’s shows some negetivity and laziness in their character. The fact that they have been able keep a respectable home doesn’t mean they should stop that good habit. Some daily routines must be done independently through out life- cleaning your place, showering yourself, whipping your own behind etc...

wineturtle wrote:

No but I'll defend your right to have that opinion.

How do you feel about single childless adults who have learned and demonstrated they can keep a respectable home deciding to hire some one to do those mundane tasks?

Usually it’s those middle class suburbs families (with kids) that hire those cleaning ladies/guys. They are so hooked on that thing, like it’s obvious to have a someone to clean your mess, like having a car and having a dog etc...

It makes sense if you use the time saved to work and you either earn more that way or you are happier that way.

I personally have never had a cleaner because I think it's important to do the cleaning myself, but I can understand why people do. Especially if they have small children and are exhausted.

Dirtycleaner wrote:

Many people pay someone to clean their house once or twice a week (or something like that). Don’t you think this is bad education for your children? They see themselves and their parents not maintaining their own private environment. I think cleaning the place you live in by yourself is one of life’s requirements (even if you have money to pay someone to do it) like being able to make your own food, wash your own clothes. By having some to clean your own private mess, children grow up to be spoiled lazy brats, and it gives a message to them that they are not responsible for the mess they make. Obviously I’m not referring to old people or handicapped people who cannot physically do it.

Once one earns $50 to $500 an hour (USD) the value of one's leisure time is equal to your labor rate. Does one work nine hours a day instead of ten hours a day to clean the house? Now you know why a medical doctor, attorney, dentist and financial advisor who earn $2000 a day do not clean his or her own home. It makes more sense for high earners to work another hour and hire some one to clean at a rate of $12 to $14 an hour. It's not lazy, it's efficiency.

I am typing this on behalf of my employer who pays me to post his online comments for him. he has asked me to say that you inferior mortals who type your own comments, brush your own teeth, tie your own shoelaces and open your own car doors are not entitled to an opinion on how little he pays the various and essential members of his entourage, and that all of you should in future employ someone to mind your manners for you.

+1

To that I'll add that I'd rather spend that extra hour a day hanging out with my kids than scrubbing the shower stall or whatever. I value my time more than the $15/hour or so that we pay our cleaning lady. Depending on the day to day situation, I sometimes spend that time working (for far more than $15/hour). Sometimes I spend it at a kids soccer game or swim meet. Sometimes I spend it running.

I get the idea that you want to set a good example for your kids by doing some things yourself. But with limited hours in the day, and the kids only being young once, you've got to strike a balance somewhere. And that balance is different for everyone depending on their own employment and financial situation.

Clean the house together with them you lazy bum. Kids love to do things with their parents even if it’s cleaning. To the guy who speaks about making more money in the office of another hour instead of cleaning your won mess- you’re an idiot. More and more money isn’t the meaning of life.,

Dirtycleaner wrote:

wineturtle wrote:

No but I'll defend your right to have that opinion.

How do you feel about single childless adults who have learned and demonstrated they can keep a respectable home deciding to hire some one to do those mundane tasks?

As a cleaning guy I think it’s shows some negetivity and laziness in their character. The fact that they have been able keep a respectable home doesn’t mean they should stop that good habit. Some daily routines must be done independently through out life- cleaning your place, showering yourself, whipping your own behind etc...

Kinky.

Hilarious! Definitely an ignorant point of view.

My kids grew up watching me work full time, run, direct track meets and road races, coach, volunteer, and be a member of two different board of director, and then also manage to spend decent quality time with them.

They also saw the cleaning people clean the house.

They worked hard at school, were at the top of their class, worked a job on their off time, and are both at top colleges which they continue to see my wife and I work hard to support them.

We are a lot of things but we are not lazy nor do we appear lazy to our kids.

Cleaning is only a part of the housework to be done. In high school, my best friend’s parents had a cleaning service, but the parents also did a hell of a lot of work that most people wouldn’t do themselves. The dad did basically all of the car maintenance for the family, built a deck on the house himself, acted as his own GC when building an addition, and did all kinds of routine stuff like painting the exterior of the house annually and keeping up with yard work. His mom was practically a professional level chef. In addition to making sure that her family always ate well, she hosted events at their home just about every week. Both parents worked more than full time.

My friend was included in all of this work and learned all of the skills his parents demonstrated. He’s also the hardest worker I’ve ever met, and is now a CT surgeon. I don’t think he’s been held back by the fact that he never had to vacuum the living room of his childhood home.

When I was in my early teens, my Dad walked me through an assembly line floor in Michigan that he managed. He showed me how the product was constructed and introduced me to some of the line workers. Most of them lifers. They were respectful, but their faces were bleak and distant. They were clock watchers; working for the weekend and dreading the next shift. When we got off the floor, his words were direct and simple:

"Son, this is why you're going to college. You're not ending up on the line like I did."

Right. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha!

It's possible that people place value in different things. It's also possible they might place a different amount of value in the same things. Things will be a lot better if people stop treating their way of life as a religion.

By hiring others to clean my home and by ordering out and going to restaurants rather than cooking that much I contribute to our economy.

It was very good education for me and my brother, we made it an honour that the house was clean and tidy before the lady arrived, as with everything we clocked our cleaning with a stopwatch, so a nice workout, my parents were extremely pleased with the cleaning lady.

Employing phrases like "is bad education" and "having a cleaning lady/guy" isn't doing much to advance your position. Might I suggest hiring a domestic servant with a background in editing to assist with your online diatribes?

Many people with a cleaning lady work extremely hard for the privilege. My husband and I have enough money for a cleaning service thanks to brains and a strong work ethic. Message to our kids? Work this hard and you won't have to scrub your own toilet either.

I think it really depends on how one spends that extra time they have because someone else is cleaning their home. If they are using those extra hours in the week productively, while they pay a cleaning service $15/hr to do mundane, brainless tasks around the house, then I really don't see the problem with it.

Do you think it teaches children a bad lesson if you take them out to eat? Why are you paying some restaurant staff to prepare and serve you food when you could cook at home? Better yet, hunt or grow it yourself instead of relying on farmers & slaughter houses to do it for you.

My point is, unless you're totally living off the land like Native American in the 16th century, don't judge other people for their lifestyle choices. And even then, there are pros & cons to ANY lifestyle.

Dirtycleaner wrote:

wineturtle wrote:

No but I'll defend your right to have that opinion.

How do you feel about single childless adults who have learned and demonstrated they can keep a respectable home deciding to hire some one to do those mundane tasks?

As a cleaning guy I think it’s shows some negetivity and laziness in their character. The fact that they have been able keep a respectable home doesn’t mean they should stop that good habit. Some daily routines must be done independently through out life- cleaning your place, showering yourself, whipping your own behind etc...

I agree that is why you see so many hair balls today. Mated hair, rumpled pilled clothes. They hire people to slop Pinesol over their floors to make it smell clean. Can’t even brew their own coffee. Need to buy a Bucky’s or the wasteful K-Cups. Wait untill the next recession they’ll be depressed with their lost freedom. No more life experiences. What’s a lazy slob to do?