Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work?

PIO!! wrote:

SAlly V wrote:

Schumer and Pelosi BOTH voted to provide $52 Billion (almost 10 times what he is asking) previously. They thought it was a great idea back then. What happened? Oh, because Trump wants it now. Sickening.

CORRECT SIR! But the lying liberals look away from facts that show their side in a bad light.

Anything they can do to rip our President. Flagpole is a disgrace to the United States of America!

Also, the wall that we already have did wonders in stopping the migrants who arrived in Tijuana. Flagpole saying the dirt-poor migrants from Guatemala, El Salvador and elsewhere will just go by boat or enter through the northern border. Does he realize how idiotic he sounds??

Came here to say most of what you already said Flagpole. I read an article last week that I can't find now but it talked about the Great Wall, Hadrian's Wall, and another well known one I can't remember. And in terms of keeping people out, the Great Wall failed. It was beneficial for message delivery. On the other hand, Hadrian's Wall was built specifically as a projection of Roman power. In that context, it worked well. But a wall to keep people out is useless. People tunnel under the current border and there is no reason they wouldn't keep doing that. Plus with the sea on both sides of the US, they can just go around it by boat.

The main reason people illegally come here is for jobs and/or security. If the US would stop dicking around in other countries and the developed world helped the developing world progress, the amount of illegal immigration would plummet

SAlly V wrote:

PIO!! wrote:

CORRECT SIR! But the lying liberals look away from facts that show their side in a bad light.

Anything they can do to rip our President. Flagpole is a disgrace to the United States of America!

Also, the wall that we already have did wonders in stopping the migrants who arrived in Tijuana. Flagpole saying the dirt-poor migrants from Guatemala, El Salvador and elsewhere will just go by boat or enter through the northern border. Does he realize how idiotic he sounds??

I believe you are talking about the Secure Fence Act of 2006:

"A report in May 2008 by the Congressional Research Service found "strong indication" that illegal border-crossers had simply found new routes.[13] A 2017 Government Accountability Office (GAO) report, citing U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) data, found that from fiscal year 2010 through fiscal year 2015, the U.S.-Mexico border fence had been breached 9,287 times, at an average cost of $784 per breach to repair."

Are you really serious? Israel has ZERO immigrants in 2017 because of the wall.

Hi Flagpole with another handle!

A wall or barrier is a medieval structure that can EASILY be over come...either climb it tunnel under it or cut thru it. Yes its that simple to overcome a wall.

We know that the drugs are coming right thru ports of entry.

We also know that THE LARGE MAJORITY of illegals are here from over stays on their visa. Explain how a wall would fix these problems?

And here is what people are NOT asking: How come those "hoards" of migrants have not poured over our borders NOW? Theres no wall, so whats holding tens of thousands of Spanish speaking brown people back?

This is just a farce.

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

A wall or barrier is a medieval structure that can EASILY be over come...either climb it tunnel under it or cut thru it. Yes its that simple to overcome a wall.

We know that the drugs are coming right thru ports of entry.

We also know that THE LARGE MAJORITY of illegals are here from over stays on their visa. Explain how a wall would fix these problems?

And here is what people are NOT asking: How come those "hoards" of migrants have not poured over our borders NOW? Theres no wall, so whats holding tens of thousands of Spanish speaking brown people back?

This is just a farce.

The "hoards" of migrants did not pour over the border in Tijuana because THERE IS A WALL THERE! Are you really this stupid?

SAlly V wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Why haven't prior presidents pushed for an expensive, fortress like wall? What does he see that other presidents didn't? Why can't he make a case for it? Does "Build a Wall, Crime Will Fall" impress you?

Trump cites a security crisis as a reason why his wall is needed, but construction will take years to complete, if ever. What will be done in the interim?

A recent poll shows that 37%, or Trump's base, believe a wall is necessary and only 28% believe having a wall is worth a shut-down.

Why should Congress approve a $5.7B for a wall Trump can't make a case for that is supported only by his base?

Schumer and Pelosi BOTH voted to provide $52 Billion (almost 10 times what he is asking) previously. They thought it was a great idea back then. What happened? Oh, because Trump wants it now. Sickening.

Do you have a link to your $52B number?Schumer did recommend $25B but that included border patrol and other costs. It did include some fencing but not for a wall similar to Trump's $24M per mile monstrosity:

SAlly V wrote:

Tommy2Nuttz wrote:

A wall or barrier is a medieval structure that can EASILY be over come...either climb it tunnel under it or cut thru it. Yes its that simple to overcome a wall.

We know that the drugs are coming right thru ports of entry.

We also know that THE LARGE MAJORITY of illegals are here from over stays on their visa. Explain how a wall would fix these problems?

And here is what people are NOT asking: How come those "hoards" of migrants have not poured over our borders NOW? Theres no wall, so whats holding tens of thousands of Spanish speaking brown people back?

This is just a farce.

The "hoards" of migrants did not pour over the border in Tijuana because THERE IS A WALL THERE! Are you really this stupid?

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/immigration/sd-me-borderwall-update-20170124-story.html

So, the "hoards" are pouring over the border on the roughly 1300 miles that don't currently have fencing? Interesting that there is a net outmigration of undocumented Mexicans since 2007. It seems that the "hoards" are going in the other direction:

Couldn’t we just place armed guards every 1/2 mile? The democrats wouldn’t allow it but it would stop all crossings.

Sharpshooter wrote:

Couldn’t we just place armed guards every 1/2 mile? The democrats wouldn’t allow it but it would stop all crossings.

Or place crocodiles and alligators and hippos and pirahnas all over the Rio Grande? Who is going to swim across that?

Describer of Demss wrote:

Sharpshooter wrote:

Couldn’t we just place armed guards every 1/2 mile? The democrats wouldn’t allow it but it would stop all crossings.

Or place crocodiles and alligators and hippos and pirahnas all over the Rio Grande? Who is going to swim across that?

How about we just put up big billboards of Trump in his white tennis outfit. The Spanish subtitles will read, "This is what you will look like in 10 years." Of course, you will need puke buckets every 1/4 mile....

Who says it won't work? wrote:

If US Special Forces can't breach it, neither will the drug cartels. And this from the LA Times, a left-leaning newspaper.

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-border-wall-test-20180119-story.html

Lol

The military tried everything except explosives

Walls are effective as long as no one climbs over them or digs under them.

Something that 100s do all the time at the border.

https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/border-tunnel-ho-mo-20190118_hpEmbed_4x3_992.jpg

https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/tucson.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/6/3c/63c56316-1ff3-11e9-896d-836ddfd2ece3/5c49e51aa16f2.image.png

"The Wall" can have different meanings. Isreal's wall cost less than $2M per mile while Trump is asking for $24M. If Isreal's wall is successful why do we need to spend 12 times as much for ours?

Mexico is not a third world country. It's PPP in 2017 was over $17k. That growth in income is probably the primary reason that immigration from Mexico began to decline in the W. years and continued its decline to this day.

https://www.google.com/search?q=per+capita+income+mexico&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS754US754&oq=per+capita+income+mexico&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2952j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Once a smuggie, always so wrote:

Hindered wrote:

Basically, the drug cartels already control the border for practical purposes.

Of course USA media won't report it, but they've gone off and killed ppl who sneaked across samizdat, instead of paying the 5000 dollar smuggling fee. It's another angle that the "humanitarian" syndrome gets wrong, ofc.

Lots of things USA media won't report. Only Australia is publishing it.

Another stat you won't see often.

https://www.insightcrime.org/news/analysis/tracking-the-steady-rise-of-beheadings-in-mexico/

Because the vast majority of drugs are driven over the border by citizens like me and you. We get connections (or are forced) to drive to Mexico, load up drugs in our cars and drive back. As a white male you get waved through without any second thoughts.