• edyue
    • Pierre Douton
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:25PM - in reply to nope
      • Pierre Douton
      • nope wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        How could it not be detrimental? I thought you progressives used to be for unions, workers rights, and the 40 hour week? Illegal workers often make less than the minimum wage or work in substandard, illegal conditions. That unfair competition hurts every working-class citizen, and only serves to enrich big business owners and upper class folks who hire illegal household help.

        And it's certainly detrimental in terms of demographics. If these people are coming from war-torn, violent places, with low education levels, what type of kids are they going to raise here?

        Not a progressive, would never vote democrat in my life.....i just happen to be anti-moran.

        Most immigrant kids i know turned out much better than you.

        Agree totally. Some immigrants are living a much better life than I am. However, all those immigrants I'm thinking of came here legally, their parents were highly educated in STEM fields, and they could write/speak English before coming here.

        Anyway still waiting for you to explain why unfettered illegal immigration is a good thing that we should allow.
    • well, for one thing
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:26PM - in reply to Pierre Douton
      • well, for one thing
      • Pierre Douton wrote:

        well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        What is morally questionable about a sovereign nation securing and defending its borders against foreign invasion? That is a fundamental right of any country.

        America has invaded more countries than any other during most people's lifetimes.....yet we are the ones building a wall?

        Non Sequitur

        I'm sorry you couldn't follow the logic.
    • Pierre Douton
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:27PM - in reply to well, for one thing
      • Pierre Douton
      • well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        What is morally questionable about a sovereign nation securing and defending its borders against foreign invasion? That is a fundamental right of any country.

        America has invaded more countries than any other during most people's lifetimes.....yet we are the ones building a wall?

        Non Sequitur

        I'm sorry you couldn't follow the logic.

        Enlighten me, oh wise one.
    • SDSU Aztec
      registered
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:39PM - in reply to Pierre Douton
      • SDSU Aztec
        registered
      • Pierre Douton wrote:

        What is morally questionable about a sovereign nation securing and defending its borders against foreign invasion? That is a fundamental right of any country.

        The U.S. miltary budget is 150 times larger than Mexico's so I don't think we need a wall to hinder an invasion.
    • Dr. DETROIT
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:42PM - in reply to nope
      • Dr. DETROIT
      • nope wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        So you're saying we need an enforcement program to kick those people out, in addition to the aforementioned wall/steel barrier? Sign me up!

        i'm saying the immigrants are not really a problem. There's little evidence that illegal immigration is even a detriment to our country. Why not address issues that are known problems first?

        Also this^
        Immigrants are only a problem to idiots. Most of them pay taxes and work hard like everyone else.
    • Hindered
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:42PM - in reply to SDSU Aztec
      • Hindered
      • Basically, the drug cartels already control the border for practical purposes.

        Of course USA media won't report it, but they've gone off and killed ppl who sneaked across samizdat, instead of paying the 5000 dollar smuggling fee. It's another angle that the "humanitarian" syndrome gets wrong, ofc.
    • Harambe
      registered
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:43PM - in reply to Let's ask leftist Austin (TX) if they work
      • Harambe
        registered
      • Illegal immigration is at a 30 year low.

        Don't buy the media propaganda. It's a non issue.

        Figure out how to keep the economy running as we age and have less kids -- that a real pressing issue.

        OR figure out climate change.

        Stop being a moron and worrying about immigration -- you just look illiterate.
    • well, for one thing
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:47PM - in reply to Pierre Douton
      • well, for one thing
      • Pierre Douton wrote:

        well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        What is morally questionable about a sovereign nation securing and defending its borders against foreign invasion? That is a fundamental right of any country.

        America has invaded more countries than any other during most people's lifetimes.....yet we are the ones building a wall?

        Non Sequitur

        I'm sorry you couldn't follow the logic.

        Enlighten me, oh wise one.

        i don't waste wisdom on fools or trolls.

        It's easy enough to put the pieces together yourself if you try.

        thinking for yourself...give it shot.
    • Yet it's a "non-issue" to so many self-purported bleeding hearts
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:51PM - in reply to Hindered
      • Yet it's a "non-issue" to so many self-purported bleeding hearts
      • Hindered wrote:

        Basically, the drug cartels already control the border for practical purposes.

        Of course USA media won't report it, but they've gone off and killed ppl who sneaked across samizdat, instead of paying the 5000 dollar smuggling fee. It's another angle that the "humanitarian" syndrome gets wrong, ofc.

        Stop shocking us with facts.

        We want to believe in irreality, where none of smuggled women get raped (instead of at least 1/3, likely over half), it's all kids and families (granted, the smugglers give them a discount as it's easier to get them across; though see above for abuse issues), no one is forced to carry drugs across (perhaps under their clothes, or in body orifices) as a quid pro quo
    • Pierre Douton
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:54PM - in reply to Harambe
      • Pierre Douton
      • Harambe wrote:

        Illegal immigration is at a 30 year low.

        Don't buy the media propaganda. It's a non issue.

        Figure out how to keep the economy running as we age and have less kids -- that a real pressing issue.

        OR figure out climate change.

        Stop being a moron and worrying about immigration -- you just look illiterate.

        Sounds like Trump is having a deterrent effect! Why not keep working on the problem to get it even lower?

        The rest of your post is nothing but whataboutism so I won’t engage.
    • rtyetygertyget
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:57PM - in reply to well, for one thing
      • rtyetygertyget
      • well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        What is morally questionable about a sovereign nation securing and defending its borders against foreign invasion? That is a fundamental right of any country.

        America has invaded more countries than any other during most people's lifetimes.....yet we are the ones building a wall?

        Non Sequitur

        I'm sorry you couldn't follow the logic.

        Enlighten me, oh wise one.

        i don't waste wisdom on fools or trolls.

        It's easy enough to put the pieces together yourself if you try.

        thinking for yourself...give it shot.

        The Patriots are good on offense. Therefore they should not play defense. Sound logic indeed.
    • troll game weak, people just piling on now
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/23/2019 11:58PM - in reply to Pierre Douton
      • troll game weak, people just piling on now
      • Pierre Douton wrote:

        Harambe wrote:

        Illegal immigration is at a 30 year low.

        Don't buy the media propaganda. It's a non issue.

        Figure out how to keep the economy running as we age and have less kids -- that a real pressing issue.

        OR figure out climate change.

        Stop being a moron and worrying about immigration -- you just look illiterate.

        Sounds like Trump is having a deterrent effect! Why not keep working on the problem to get it even lower?

        The rest of your post is nothing but whataboutism so I won’t engage.

        wow, WEAK troll effort

        transparent and too obviously stupid.

        work on your game.
    • good Lord
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/24/2019 12:02AM - in reply to rtyetygertyget
      • good Lord
      • rtyetygertyget wrote:

        well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        well, for one thing wrote:

        Pierre Douton wrote:

        What is morally questionable about a sovereign nation securing and defending its borders against foreign invasion? That is a fundamental right of any country.

        America has invaded more countries than any other during most people's lifetimes.....yet we are the ones building a wall?

        Non Sequitur

        I'm sorry you couldn't follow the logic.

        Enlighten me, oh wise one.

        i don't waste wisdom on fools or trolls.

        It's easy enough to put the pieces together yourself if you try.

        thinking for yourself...give it shot.

        The Patriots are good on offense. Therefore they should not play defense. Sound logic indeed.

        this would be like the Patriots spending all the resources preparing to defeat an opponent who they aren't even going to play.

        dumb.
    • EFan
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/24/2019 12:03AM - in reply to Pierre Douton
      • EFan
      • It will work. The leftist open borders lobby will say/find anything to prevent it from going up.

        The bleeding hearts like to hearken back to the "good ol' days" of Ellis Island style immigration as a way of guiding modern border policy. Ellis Island was not as rosy as movies and books like to portray....Ellis Island turned away ~2% of immigrants. Note these numbers are of people who actually got on the boat and made the journey. The ocean liner companies knew US immigration rules at the time and most screened all would be immigrants before boarding their ships (the companies had to pay for the return journey for anyone turned away at Ellis Island).

        Reasons for getting denied entry ranged from having contagious diseases like TB to holding extreme political beliefs (think crazy anarchists, commies etc).

        A porous border with a third world country (yes, it is THIRD WORLD) is not a good recipe for success and has caused among other things crime and disease (resurgence in TB which was thought to be almost eradicated in the US 30 years ago).
    • Pierre Duton
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/24/2019 12:03AM - in reply to troll game weak, people just piling on now
      • Pierre Duton
      • How is this trolling? I realize the wall is controversial but I am raising serious points here. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll.

        I haven’t heard any great arguments against the wall so far except the cost, which sounds like a lot, but is really like 1 basis point of the US budget.
    • Percentage wise
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/24/2019 12:04AM - in reply to good Lord
      • Percentage wise
      • The Patriots are good on offense. Therefore they should not play defense. Sound logic indeed.

        Works well in NFL overtime if you win a coin-flip.
    • Pierre Douton
      • RE: Can someone explain why the wall, or steel barrier, won't work? 1/24/2019 12:06AM - in reply to EFan
      • Pierre Douton
      • EFan wrote:

        It will work. The leftist open borders lobby will say/find anything to prevent it from going up.

        The bleeding hearts like to hearken back to the "good ol' days" of Ellis Island style immigration as a way of guiding modern border policy. Ellis Island was not as rosy as movies and books like to portray....Ellis Island turned away ~2% of immigrants. Note these numbers are of people who actually got on the boat and made the journey. The ocean liner companies knew US immigration rules at the time and most screened all would be immigrants before boarding their ships (the companies had to pay for the return journey for anyone turned away at Ellis Island).

        Reasons for getting denied entry ranged from having contagious diseases like TB to holding extreme political beliefs (think crazy anarchists, commies etc).

        A porous border with a third world country (yes, it is THIRD WORLD) is not a good recipe for success and has caused among other things crime and disease (resurgence in TB which was thought to be almost eradicated in the US 30 years ago).

        Totally agree efan. Skilled immigration by people who share our values and speak English: the more the merrier!

        Open borders to the third (ahem, “developing”, getting better all the time...) world? Truly foolish.