FullBoarTC wrote:
prove it dude wrote:
prove it. Post exactly who you are referring to, and their PRs before tinman and their current PRs.
Sam Parsons:
Collegiate 1500: 3:44. Tinman 1500: 3:38
Collegiate 5000: 13:52. Tinman 5000: 13:29
Reed Fischer:
Collegiate 5000: 13:48. Tinman 5000: 13:45
Collegiate 10000: 28:47. Tinman 10000: 28:38 (also 4th at USATF 10k 2018)
Tinman half marathon: 1:02:58 to 1:02:06
Tinman 10 mile (road): 49:50 to 47:50
Jeff Thies:
Collegiate 3000 (indoor): 8:03. Tinman 3000 (indoor): 7:59
Joey Berriatua:
Collegiate 3000 (indoor): 8:19. Tinman 3000 (indoor): 7:59
Tyler Mueller:
Collegiate 10000: 29:19. Tinman 10000: 28:56
Those runners improved a little, but clearly they all would have improved much more if tinman were really the best coach in the country.
Also it is extremely disingenuous to cite Parsons 1500 PR and Berriatua's 3k PR. They barely ever raced those events and had much success at other distances. Parsons, for example, ran 3:44 in his first outdoor track race of 2017. He was 2.5 months away from peaking. If he raced the 1500 at the end of the season, he would have run about 3:40.
Berriatua ran 3 total 3k races in college because Santa Clara didn't run a full indoor season. His 3ks were his only indoor races of those seasons.
My point is that there are thousands of self-coached post collegiates out there improving more than tinman coached athletes. Every single college coach produces better improvements out of 50 athletes each year than tinman.