Did Kara DNF?

non flagpole wrote:

the steak wrote:

The poster I was replying to said that Kara is not in Jordan's league. That is patently false. Kara has a better career resume than Jordan, and it doesn't take much research for an average person to realize that. Hasay has only made one senior US team and she finished 12th.

Mr. Steak. You are an idiot. Kara's career was not great, far from it.

Jordan has crushed her best marathon time by minutes, her first time out. Jordan will destroy the few things that Kara did in her "career". Stay on the side lines, it suits you best.

Two world medals vs a 12th place finish. It’s not even close. Even a casual fan would realize this easily. How can the latter be great if the former is not?

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the steak wrote:

non flagpole wrote:

Mr. Steak. You are an idiot. Kara's career was not great, far from it.

Jordan has crushed her best marathon time by minutes, her first time out. Jordan will destroy the few things that Kara did in her "career". Stay on the side lines, it suits you best.

Two world medals vs a 12th place finish. It’s not even close. Even a casual fan would realize this easily. How can the latter be great if the former is not?

Goucher

Weak medal in 2007 (see posts that explain why). One legitimate sub 2:26 marathon.

Hasay

Her time of 01:08:40 was a course record for an American female and the second fastest half marathon debut by an American female.

On April 1, Hasay ran the Prague Half Marathon in a time of 1:07:55. She became just the third American woman to run a half marathon in under 68 minutes after Molly Huddle and Deena Kastor (I don't see Goucher's name here).

On April 17, Hasay finished third in the Boston Marathon. Her time of 2:23:00. Hasay's finish time was the fastest debut marathon by a U.S. woman by almost three minutes.

On October 8, Hasay placed third in the Chicago Marathon with a finish time of *****2:20:57******.

Her race in Chicago also gave her a US 25k women's record, 1:22:19, surpassing Shalane Flanagan's time of 1:22:36 at the 2014 Berlin Marathon.

Hasay has just started to "really" be an elite racer and she has surpassed Goucher by leaps and bounds.

Checkmate! You lose steak boy.

But Kara still has the fastest debut marathon by a U.S. woman on a record eligible course.

And the NYC American course record.

Hasay is faster but Goucher has a medal. Hasay will have more hardware when she is 40. If you run 4:15 all year and your teammate runs 4:20 but then you are ill at state and run 4:25 to your state champ teammate in 4:20, is he better than you?

World championship silver

World Cup bronze

Two time Olympian

Three time world championship runner

New York podium

Chicago podium

Faster track times

vs

One time world championship runner

Boston podium

Chicago podium

Faster road times

It’s not even close. You’re letting your hatred blind you.

Jordy Hasan wrote:

Hasay is faster but Goucher has a medal. Hasay will have more hardware when she is 40. If you run 4:15 all year and your teammate runs 4:20 but then you are ill at state and run 4:25 to your state champ teammate in 4:20, is he better than you?

You’re focusing too much on a clock. Did Ryan Hall have a better career than Meb?

the steak wrote:

World championship silver

World Cup bronze

Two time Olympian

Three time world championship runner

New York podium

Chicago podium

Faster track times

vs

One time world championship runner

Boston podium

Chicago podium

Faster road times

It’s not even close. You’re letting your hatred blind you.

You're letting you fanboy-ness blind you.

Weak medals with weak fields for Kara. Those medals are meaningless.

Jordan at age 27 is better. Get over it.

the steak is overcooked wrote:

the steak wrote:

World championship silver

World Cup bronze

Two time Olympian

Three time world championship runner

New York podium

Chicago podium

Faster track times

vs

One time world championship runner

Boston podium

Chicago podium

Faster road times

It’s not even close. You’re letting your hatred blind you.

You're letting you fanboy-ness blind you.

Weak medals with weak fields for Kara. Those medals are meaningless.

Jordan at age 27 is better. Get over it.

I’m no more a fan of one than the other.

“Those medals are meaningless” is a laughable comment that shows your argument has no leg to stand on. Everyone can look at the resumes above and see clearly the top is better. It’s plain as day. All you’re doing is admitting that you’re incapable of realizing that.

the steak wrote:

the steak is overcooked wrote:

You're letting you fanboy-ness blind you.

Weak medals with weak fields for Kara. Those medals are meaningless.

Jordan at age 27 is better. Get over it.

I’m no more a fan of one than the other.

“Those medals are meaningless” is a laughable comment that shows your argument has no leg to stand on. Everyone can look at the resumes above and see clearly the top is better. It’s plain as day. All you’re doing is admitting that you’re incapable of realizing that.

Only a layman would laugh. She had a weak field and took 9th the next year, setting a PR in the process. She got beat by several women who weren't in Osaka.

It's quite obvious that you're a hobby jogger who doesn't know how to look deep. You probably believe that Sellers would have been 2nd in Boston last year if the conditions were ideal.

You're incapable of logic or critical thinking. Good luck breaking 25 for the 5k this weekend and I'm sure you'll place in your old man age group.

Ad hominem attacks are the default for those without an argument. 8th in the Olympics (you were wrong when you said 9th - do you support doper Abeylegesse?) is also better than not ever qualifying for the Olympics, and better than Jordan placed at the TRIALS. The time she ran in that race more than half a lap ahead of Hasay's best.

These are objective facts.

2008 Olympic Games Beijing, China 9th 10,000 m 30:55.16

You lost. Kara Goucher is highly overrated. Hastings, Flanagan and HASAY are all better runners. Kara had a weak field in 2007. Your small brain can't understand that as you support dopers.

Typical liberal wrote:

She blames everyone else and wants to take everyone’s money for her garbage clothing.

This^

And I agree, take away Boston 2011 and she's under 2:26, once.

Deena Kastor 2:19:36

5:19.5

London, 2006

Jordan Hasay 2:20:57. (2nd marathon and she's 2nd all-time)

5:22.7

Chicago, 2017

Shalane Flanagan2:21:14

5:23.2

Berlin, 2014

Joan Samuelson 2:21:21

5:23.5

Chicago, 1985

Amy Cragg 2:21:42

5:24.3

Tokyo, 2018

Laura Thweatt 2:25:38

5:33.3

London, 2017

Even Thweatt has run faster! KG is not even near the runner as the top 5 Americans. All except one ran during her career, Joan Samuelson. She faced the others and has a pr of 4:30 to 5 minutes slower.

lies damn lies wrote:

Ray Ray wrote:

KG did not compliment Shalane Flanagan on NYC,

Lie.

Truth, see her IG.

The steak loses again wrote:

the steak wrote:

Ad hominem attacks are the default for those without an argument. 8th in the Olympics (you were wrong when you said 9th - do you support doper Abeylegesse?) is also better than not ever qualifying for the Olympics, and better than Jordan placed at the TRIALS. The time she ran in that race more than half a lap ahead of Hasay's best.

These are objective facts.

2008 Olympic Games Beijing, China 9th 10,000 m 30:55.16

You lost. Kara Goucher is highly overrated. Hastings, Flanagan and HASAY are all better runners. Kara had a weak field in 2007. Your small brain can't understand that as you support dopers.

8th. You are counting the doper, like I said in the last post.

1st, gold medalist(s) Tirunesh Dibaba Ethiopia 29:54.66 OR, AR

2nd, silver medalist(s) Shalane Flanagan United States 30:22.22 AR

3rd, bronze medalist(s) Linet Chepkwemoi Masai Kenya 30:26.50 WJR, NR

4 Mariya Konovalova Russia 30:35.84 PB

5 Lucy Kabuu Wangui Kenya 30:39.96 PB

6 Lornah Kiplagat Netherlands 30:40.27 SB

7 Kimberley Smith New Zealand 30:51.00

8 Kara Goucher United States 30:55.16 PB

9 Kayoko Fukushi Japan 31:01.14 SB

10 Joanne Pavey Great Britain 31:12.30 PB

11 Sabrina Mockenhaupt Germany 31:14.21 PB

12 Ejegayehu Dibaba Ethiopia 31:22.18

13 Hilda Kibet Netherlands 31:29.69

14 Zhang Yingying China 31:31.12 SB

15 Yoko Shibui Japan 31:31:13

16 Penninah Arusei Kenya 31:39.87

17 Tatyana Khmeleva-Aryasova Russia 31:45.57

18 Yukiko Akaba Japan 32:00.37

19 Bai Xue China 32:20.27

20 Anikó Kálovics Hungary 32:24.83

21 Kate Reed Great Britain 32:26.69

22 Nathalie De Vos Belgium 32:33.45 SB

23 Preeja Sreedharan India 32:34.64

24 Amy Yoder Begley United States 32:38.28

25 Dulce María Rodríguez Mexico 32:58.04

26 Dong Xiaoqin China 33:03.14

27 Isabel Checa Spain 33:17.88

Mestawet Tufa Ethiopia DNF

Asmae Leghzaoui Morocco DNF

Nataliya Berkut Ukraine DNS

Inga Abitova Russia DSQ Doping Violation[6]

DSQ Elvan Abeylegesse Turkey 29:56.34

Ummmmm Jordan Hasay v. "IG" Kara

Full 'thon: 2:20:57 vs 2:24:52

half 'thon 1:06:57 vs 1:07:55

10k road 31:39 vs 32:46

10k track 31:39 vs 30:55

5K track 15:28 vs 14:55

3k track 8:46 vs 8:34

1500 4:07 vs 4:05

800 2:08 vs 2:06

so as someone said earlier, Hasay is better on the road, and KG has a clean sweep on the track

I dont think one can say Hasay is better than KG, overall or at similar ages defensibly:

USA Championships

2008 Olympic Trials 5,000m champion (15:01.02)

Three-time USA Outdoor 10,000m runner-up – 2007 (32:33.80); 2008 (31:37.72); 2011 (31:16.65)

2006 USA Outdoor 5,000m runner-up (15:14.13)

3rd at 2012 Olympic Trials Marathon (2:26:06)

International Championships

2007 World Outdoor 10,000m bronze medalist (32:02.05)

Collegiate Championships

2000 NCAA Outdoor 3,000m (9:02.15) and 5000m (15:54.30) champion

2000 NCAA Cross Country champion

vs

USA Championships

Two-time USA Outdoors 10,000m runner-up, 2013 (32:17.34); 2014 (32:03.28)

Four-time USA Junior 1500m champion - 2007 (4:16.98); 2008 (4:18.44); 2009 (4:18.99); 2010 (4:26.38)

2006 USA Junior 3,000m champion (9:50.66)

2010 USA Junior 3,000m runner-up (9:18.92

International Championships

2012 NACAC U23 1500m champion (4:22.16)

2009 PanAm Juniors 1500m champion (4:26.26)

2007 World Youth 1500m runner-up (4:17.24)

Collegiate Championships

Two-Time 2011 NCAA Indoor champion - mile (4:33.01); 3,000m (9:13.71)

Three-Time NCAA Indoor runner-up - 2010, DMR (10:58.96); 2011, DMR (10:52.90); 2013, 3,000m (9:06.61)

Three-time NCAA Outdoor bronze medalist - 2010,1500m (4:16.43); 2012, 1500m (4:14.03); 2013, 5,000m (15:50.78)

2012 NCAA indoor mile bronze medalist (4:40.09)

adslkjf wrote:

Did Kara DNF? No splits since 30k :(

I hope she still gives an interview full of tears and anger

It must've been pretty bad. I was on the same United flight with her Sunday evening, she needed a wheelchair to and from the plane.

Incidentally, Adam had his MacBook open in the terminal and was cursing and pointing as he showed Kara something on the screen. It was impossible to ignore.

When I got up to refill my water bottle, I walked behind his seat and glanced at what he was doing. Sure enough, he had LRMB on his browser.

Hasay is better, period. Her 2nd marathon was almost 5 minutes faster than Kara's pr. Her half marathon is also faster and she's only 27.

Goucher got a free ride with that medal in Osaka. She wasn't 2nd fastest in the world, hardly.

Hasay is in a whole different class and Goucher knows it.

The other accomplishments that Goucher achieved were minuscule compared to Jordan Hasay.

Hasay IS the better runner, period.

the steak wrote:

World championship silver

World Cup bronze

Two time Olympian

Three time world championship runner

New York podium

Chicago podium

Faster track times

vs

One time world championship runner

Boston podium

Chicago podium

Faster road times

It’s not even close. You’re letting your hatred blind you.

Agree, look at the results. Goucher had weak fields when she got those medals, very weak.