Did Kara DNF?

the steak wrote:

ronmacd wrote:

if she's what you consider great, then Shalane, Amy and Jordan are outstanding!!!! Kara is not in their league, not even close.

FWIW - Kara accomplished more in her career than Jordan has, though Jordan still has the chance to turn the tables on that.

I think Shalane, Amy and Jordan are great too. I’d also add Deena, Joanie, Desi, etc. It’s tough to say that a 2012 USA Olympic Marathon runner is not “great”. Kara will always be remembered as a great runner, although not the fastest of the bunch.

No I think it was Alberto's fault

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but it still seems to me like you're focused on a few things she did that just rubbed you the wrong way. I get it, public personalities (i.e. celebrities) can do that to us. But to label her as self-absorbed, arrogant, etc., for it seems a bit presumptuous to me. LinkedIn is like the Instagram of the industry I work in and it's littered with people who promote personal accomplishments that I could care less about. While it's not my style, and I do find it annoying at times, I don't really feel I can judge them too much personally based on those small snippets of their lives. That's all I'm saying.

On a side related-ish note, I used to do online dating because I'm cool like that and I was incredibly surprised at how different people could be in real life in comparison to how I perceived them based on their profiles - and even the direct convos we had online.

Runners World......Kara Goucher Explains Why She DNF'd the 2019 Houston Marathon.....

This is a good point. My natural inclination is to be irritated with the Kara Gouchers, Nick Symmonds', Alexi Pappas', Lauren Fleshmans, (etc) of the world, who market themselves and their personal accomplishments relentlessly to the world, like any interaction with the public is an opportunity to push their resume. Then I consider the idea that maybe that's something they HAVE to do to get a paycheck--seemingly self-absorbed Instagram posts and the like might actually be part of the contract. That's particularly true if they're retired or on their way out (it happens to EVERYONE--not sure why someone should be attacked for not being able to run the same times at 37 as they did at 29), or if they're signed on by a company more for their fan base than for their accomplishments (almost certainly the case with Pappas). I mean, at the end of the day, we've all got to pay the bills. Maybe these people truly are as self-absorbed and narcissistic as they seem on social media, but I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

the steak wrote:

ronmacd wrote:

if she's what you consider great, then Shalane, Amy and Jordan are outstanding!!!! Kara is not in their league, not even close.

FWIW - Kara accomplished more in her career than Jordan has, though Jordan still has the chance to turn the tables on that.

FWIW>No sh*t sherlock! Jordan has just begun and she's ran 5 minutes faster than Kara Goucher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jordan is 27, Kara Goucher is 40! Dear God, where do you people get your logic from? Kara Goucher is NOT anywhere near the talent of Hastings, Flanagan or Hasay!

Goucher has accomplished what? Weak fields?

She's done more than a few things to rub people the wrong way and she's not done yet. More of it is starting to be real world stuff too and not online etc.

the sauce wrote:

the steak wrote:

FWIW - Kara accomplished more in her career than Jordan has, though Jordan still has the chance to turn the tables on that.

FWIW>No sh*t sherlock! Jordan has just begun and she's ran 5 minutes faster than Kara Goucher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jordan is 27, Kara Goucher is 40! Dear God, where do you people get your logic from? Kara Goucher is NOT anywhere near the talent of Hastings, Flanagan or Hasay!

Goucher has accomplished what? Weak fields?

The poster I was replying to said that Kara is not in Jordan's league. That is patently false. Kara has a better career resume than Jordan, and it doesn't take much research for an average person to realize that. Hasay has only made one senior US team and she finished 12th.

Who cares?

findoutsoon wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Iq2ufD7R70

Runners World......Kara Goucher Explains Why She DNF'd the 2019 Houston Marathon.....

KF wrote:

You people are really, really horrible human beings. Why tf do you have to be so freaking mean? She is a human being, and seriously so much braver than any of you. And a billion more time deserving of her sponsorships than you ever would be of getting the ones you dream about but are too busy being on here talking trash to put in the real work to get.

They're also stupid and cowardly, and because of their basic lack of brainpower, they can't appreciate the irony in belittling her courage using sophomoric screen names.

They will also accuse both of us of being one or both of the Gouchers, since they can't fathom the idea that people external to the situation would condemn them for being hopeless pansies.

They are probably tiny-dicked redneck Trumpists. Such fellows are the first to come after women like Kara, who are way out of their league in every imaginable way.

I hope she takes a literal dump on Alberto's grave when that diabolical turd;s heart finally gives out for reals.

Amazing that not one other poster on this thread has accomplished what this athlete has and yet the criticsm flows non-stop. She has been training and racing at a high level for over 20 years. Plenty of time for the wannabe experts on here to come up with the sound bite that confirms their anonymous slurs. Self promotion? That's what it takes to make a living in this sport. I can name at least 5 elite athletes right now that are far more inclined to self promotion than Kara. Once was a time when many elite athletes and legends would come on this site. Rarely happens now because of idiot posts like these.

findoutsoon wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Iq2ufD7R70

Runners World......Kara Goucher Explains Why She DNF'd the 2019 Houston Marathon.....

So many, maybe even Kara included, are missing the obvious here. What would be the culprit in a long dormant issue becoming an injury again? The wrong shoes, most notably switching from shoes with some level of drop that she's trained and raced in for decades to suddenly go with zero drop Altras minus an obvious chronic injury issue driving that move. Unsure why she needs to endorse a shoe brand no matter what, but it might be smarter to have none and simply but what will work well for her than something useless if not counterproductive like zero drop shoes.

Evan Jogger wrote:

findoutsoon wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Iq2ufD7R70

Runners World......Kara Goucher Explains Why She DNF'd the 2019 Houston Marathon.....

So many, maybe even Kara included, are missing the obvious here. What would be the culprit in a long dormant issue becoming an injury again? The wrong shoes, most notably switching from shoes with some level of drop that she's trained and raced in for decades to suddenly go with zero drop Altras minus an obvious chronic injury issue driving that move. Unsure why she needs to endorse a shoe brand no matter what, but it might be smarter to have none and simply but what will work well for her than something useless if not counterproductive like zero drop shoes.

is it possible for KG to give an interview without crying?

Ray wrote:

Amazing that not one other poster on this thread has accomplished what this athlete has and yet the criticsm flows non-stop. She has been training and racing at a high level for over 20 years. Plenty of time for the wannabe experts on here to come up with the sound bite that confirms their anonymous slurs. Self promotion? That's what it takes to make a living in this sport. I can name at least 5 elite athletes right now that are far more inclined to self promotion than Kara. Once was a time when many elite athletes and legends would come on this site. Rarely happens now because of idiot posts like these.

Fair criticism has nothing to do with being faster or slower than the person in question nor is it hateful or nice, it's reality, not sound bites (you stole that and it made you feel smart, but it doesn't apply here). Surely you did awful in debate class. She is into nothing but self-promoting. But go ahead, name the 5 athletes. KG did not compliment Shalane Flanagan on NYC, she chose to make it about herself. That's arrogant and insecurity combined as she wanted people to know about her, not Shalane Flanagan. I'm not the poster that you responded to, but I'm responding to you and your post, which is nonsense.

the steak wrote:

the sauce wrote:

FWIW>No sh*t sherlock! Jordan has just begun and she's ran 5 minutes faster than Kara Goucher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jordan is 27, Kara Goucher is 40! Dear God, where do you people get your logic from? Kara Goucher is NOT anywhere near the talent of Hastings, Flanagan or Hasay!

Goucher has accomplished what? Weak fields?

The poster I was replying to said that Kara is not in Jordan's league. That is patently false. Kara has a better career resume than Jordan, and it doesn't take much research for an average person to realize that. Hasay has only made one senior US team and she finished 12th.

Mr. Steak. You are an idiot. Kara's career was not great, far from it.

Jordan has crushed her best marathon time by minutes, her first time out. Jordan will destroy the few things that Kara did in her "career". Stay on the side lines, it suits you best.

Ray wrote:

Self promotion? That's what it takes to make a living in this sport. .

Not if you're winning.

My screen name is my real name wrote:

They're also stupid and cowardly, and because of their basic lack of brainpower, they can't appreciate the irony in belittling her courage using sophomoric screen names.

They will also accuse both of us of being one or both of the Gouchers, since they can't fathom the idea that people external to the situation would condemn them for being hopeless pansies.

They are probably tiny-dicked redneck Trumpists. Such fellows are the first to come after women like Kara, who are way out of their league in every imaginable way.

I hope she takes a literal dump on Alberto's grave when that diabolical turd;s heart finally gives out for reals.

It must really suck to be such an insecure POS as you are.

My screen name is my real name wrote:

[quote]KF wrote:

I hope she takes a literal dump on Alberto's grave when that diabolical turd;s heart finally gives out for reals.

I would pay $$$ to see that