Did Kara DNF?

Galen wrote:

If she DNFd, I’m pretty sure it’s my fault

I have to admit, that was pretty funny.

The oddest thing to me about Kara, Desi and Hasay is that all 3 of them have as many haters as they do fans but all 3 are oblivious to it.

i notice she hasnt done quite as well since she left me

Fatty R. Belt Buckle wrote:

AdamisaPuss wrote:

A hamstring injury from 2015?? She's digging deep for excuses now...

I will not be too hard on her, but a 2015 hamstring injury would have reared its ugly head much sooner than today. Having had a very bad hamstring, it is the most finicky of injuries and something from 4 years ago would not have allowed you to train for a marathon unless it was fully healed.

this. is she serious? she went ALL training block and it JUST showed up on race day? doesn't pass the sniff test.

I have to agree wholeheartedly. The Gouchers brought this on themselves by their cry-baby, immature behaviour.

When you try to smash someone you end up getting smashed yourself. Kara's behavior has been nothing but self-serving, hateful and totally inappropriate for a mature adult. She benefited enormously from her relationship with coach Salazaar, who really made career. Salazaar tried everything to help her husband Adam Goucher achieve his goals in running but even the Oregon Project with all its money and resources could not make a silk pursue out of a sow's ear. Advise to the Gouchers is "time to grow up" and move on with your lives. You don't always get what you want!

Running junkie wrote:

Advise to the Gouchers is "time to grow up" and move on with your lives. You don't always get what you want!

Your advice is as valuable as advice from any other poster in this forum, which is to say that it is of no value what so ever. Likely she will continue to train for races, and as a sponsored athlete continue to maintain a social media presence. This seems to pain you for some reason? Have you considered therapy?

My general impression of her through interviews/articles has always been one of "bitchy". Like there is an arrogance to her that I don't like. I don't know if it's just the way she comes off, her voice, or exactly what it is...but she is exactly the type of person I would expect to pull the "Don't you know who I am card??" on someone. Does this mean I root for her to fail? Of course not, but I'm just not a fan.

Zeno wrote:

Running junkie wrote:

Advise to the Gouchers is "time to grow up" and move on with your lives. You don't always get what you want!

Your advice is as valuable as advice from any other poster in this forum, which is to say that it is of no value what so ever. Likely she will continue to train for races, and as a sponsored athlete continue to maintain a social media presence. This seems to pain you for some reason? Have you considered therapy?

e.g.

In conclusion:

1) Coach Johnny Kellogg still has pants and a prefrontal cortex which are both completely full of . . . sh*tty Corn Flakes™ . . . at the same time!!!!!

.WoW = WoW.

KF wrote:

You people are really, really horrible human beings. Why tf do you have to be so freaking mean? She is a human being, and seriously so much braver than any of you. And a billion more time deserving of her sponsorships than you ever would be of getting the ones you dream about but are too busy being on here talking trash to put in the real work to get.

Not only are they horrible human beings, but I'm glad I'm not one of them when karma bites them back for their ugliness. I am also sure some of them are Nike trolls, which explains their ugliness. They only wished they were half the athlete and half the person Kara is. Truly, they are a disgrace to all humanity.

Running junkie wrote:

Advise to the Gouchers is "time to grow up" and move on with your lives. You don't always get what you want!

Grow up? Don’t they have a kid and ~$2million dollar home in Boulder?

Wye wrote:

Running junkie wrote:

Advise to the Gouchers is "time to grow up" and move on with your lives. You don't always get what you want!

Grow up? Don’t they have a kid and ~$2million dollar home in Boulder?

You mean Saladbar's lovechild?

Take off 75% from your house valuation.

So strange but so true wrote:

The oddest thing to me about Kara, Desi and Hasay is that all 3 of them have as many haters as they do fans but all 3 are oblivious to it.

You don't know about all of them but two out of three ain't bad.

Wye wrote:

Running junkie wrote:

Advise to the Gouchers is "time to grow up" and move on with your lives. You don't always get what you want!

Grow up? Don’t they have a kid and ~$2million dollar home in Boulder?

SFH and hubby also need to grow up too now that you mention houses and kids.

They used to have that house in Portland...listed it for $2.5million sold for $2.25million 5 years ago...

I would like to openly acknowledge this "She's a snitch" comment. Honestly, like many others, I don't know the depth or dexterity of the methods of training that Kara had specifically with the NOP.

What I do know is that she got out when it seemed too obscure and potentially dangerous.

This new logic against "snitches" seems to be the reason why people do get away with nasty means to an end. Ergo, the strength Ms. Goucher showed while getting out of a frightening program like the Nike Oregon Project was unprecedented.

Let us keep in mind that both Gouchers are athletes and, at one time, both Adam and Kara were highly competitive against the top international athletes. Why the Gouchers are not viewed as heroes is beyond me.

It is true that Kara is not as fast as she was, nor should she have to be. But keep in mind that Mr. Armstrong's drug ring, all of those named in MLB's Mitchell Report, and even the recent Russian doping scandal could have all been ended sooner and smaller had people come out with information that a scandal was starting.

We are so quick to attack the doping of Mr. Viren. The story of Mr. Hellebuyck became huge. Ms. Jones suffered the wrath of a nation.

Why do people become so defensive when it comes to NOP?

When it correlates to attacks on Ms. Goucher, one really must wonder.

HMM

What really happened:

Salazar got fed up with their drug play, and gave them the boot.

So strange but so true wrote:

The oddest thing to me about Kara, Desi and Hasay is that all 3 of them have as many haters as they do fans but all 3 are oblivious to it.

No, you're just naive. Kara Goucher reads these boards, no ifs ands or buts about it.

To respond to Shalane's victory in NYC by making it all about HER should tell you all you need to know.

Try calling her out on anything arrogant and braggish that she's ever done and she'll have Twitter block you.

She drops snide remarks about the shoes that athletes wear today implying she would have run sooooo much faster, that is laughable at best.

I guarantee you that the shoes that Benoit won Los Angeles in weren't as good as the shoes that Goucher ran in all of her marathons. Do we hear Joan complaining? Her fastest marathon was skimming under 2:25 by 8 seconds, once!...at Boston in--------drum roll please-----2011!!!!!!!!! How was the weather that year (insert sarcasm).

Cragg has a PR of exactly 3:10 faster than her! 2:21:42! Is that because of the shoes?

Bottom line is, if things don't go perfect, she's ready with excuses. The hamstring just flared up today? Possible, yes. Likely, no.

I'm just calling a spade a spade. Everything is about HER.

I don't really buy the hamstring injury thing, but the reason doesn't really matter. She had a bad day - it happens to the best of us. But when it's the only marathon you've run in several years and you are in the public eye, it gets magnified.

I give her props for getting out there and giving it a go, knowing that she's not as fast as she used to be. That actually takes a good deal of courage.