My belief (for 25-40 year old hobby jogger) for 5k times:
10 miles - 30:00. If you can't break 30 minutes when running 10 miles a week, drop some mileage and spend the time on something else.
20 miles - 24:00
30 miles - 20:00
40 miles - 18:00. There is no reason to be running 40+ miles a week if you can't break 18 in the 5k when doing so. Spend some time doing something else.
50 miles - 17:00
60 miles - 16:00
70 miles - 15:15
80 miles - 14:50
90 miles - 14:25
100 miles - 14:00
What do you think?
How fast do you have to be for your weekly mileage to be "worth it"?
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formerbosox9yo wrote:
My belief (for 25-40 year old hobby jogger) for 5k times:
10 miles - 30:00. If you can't break 30 minutes when running 10 miles a week, drop some mileage and spend the time on something else.
20 miles - 24:00
30 miles - 20:00
40 miles - 18:00. There is no reason to be running 40+ miles a week if you can't break 18 in the 5k when doing so. Spend some time doing something else.
50 miles - 17:00
60 miles - 16:00
70 miles - 15:15
80 miles - 14:50
90 miles - 14:25
100 miles - 14:00
What do you think?
how about do whatever you want if you enjoy running 40 miles a week who are you to say not to because you haven't gone sub 18 -
formerbosox9yo wrote:
My belief (for 25-40 year old hobby jogger) for 5k times:
10 miles - 30:00. If you can't break 30 minutes when running 10 miles a week, drop some mileage and spend the time on something else.
20 miles - 24:00
30 miles - 20:00
40 miles - 18:00. There is no reason to be running 40+ miles a week if you can't break 18 in the 5k when doing so. Spend some time doing something else.
50 miles - 17:00
60 miles - 16:00
70 miles - 15:15
80 miles - 14:50
90 miles - 14:25
100 miles - 14:00
What do you think?
This chart could be used to determine how many miles you should be running each week. Anything above your recommended miles means running is too big a piece of your life. Anything below means you are sacrificing the gift. -
I run for enjoyment for about a hour or so a day. Don't really care about mileage and PRs, but I usually do between 60-80 miles a week and run about 17 minute range for local 5k's.
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I run for enjoyment wrote:
I run for enjoyment for about a hour or so a day. Don't really care about mileage and PRs, but I usually do between 60-80 miles a week and run about 17 minute range for local 5k's.
Ok, so you spend a little too much time running. According to the chart you should be taking some of that time running and using it to focus on family, career, or society as a whole, not just your running. -
formerbosox9yo wrote:
My belief (for 25-40 year old hobby jogger) for 5k times:
10 miles - 30:00. If you can't break 30 minutes when running 10 miles a week, drop some mileage and spend the time on something else.
20 miles - 24:00
30 miles - 20:00
40 miles - 18:00. There is no reason to be running 40+ miles a week if you can't break 18 in the 5k when doing so. Spend some time doing something else.
50 miles - 17:00
60 miles - 16:00
70 miles - 15:15
80 miles - 14:50
90 miles - 14:25
100 miles - 14:00
What do you think?
that's the dumbest chart I have ever seen. everyone is different. chris derrick was running 60-70 mile weeks in high school when he busted out a 13:55 5k at Arcadia, solo effort. some of the slowest kids on our team in college were the ones who insisted high mileage was the key. they weren't even in our top 15 -
ric flair woo wrote:
formerbosox9yo wrote:
My belief (for 25-40 year old hobby jogger) for 5k times:
10 miles - 30:00. If you can't break 30 minutes when running 10 miles a week, drop some mileage and spend the time on something else.
20 miles - 24:00
30 miles - 20:00
40 miles - 18:00. There is no reason to be running 40+ miles a week if you can't break 18 in the 5k when doing so. Spend some time doing something else.
50 miles - 17:00
60 miles - 16:00
70 miles - 15:15
80 miles - 14:50
90 miles - 14:25
100 miles - 14:00
What do you think?
that's the dumbest chart I have ever seen. everyone is different. chris derrick was running 60-70 mile weeks in high school when he busted out a 13:55 5k at Arcadia, solo effort. some of the slowest kids on our team in college were the ones who insisted high mileage was the key. they weren't even in our top 15
That is a perfect example why this chart works. It showed that Chris Derrick had talent and should focus more time on running (doesn't have to be in miles). The kids on your college teams doing high miles and not in your top 15 it shows they focused too much on running. It might have made sense for them to quit and find another sport, maybe intramural ultimate frisbee, that they could focus their time on. -
formerbosox9yo wrote:
I run for enjoyment wrote:
I run for enjoyment for about a hour or so a day. Don't really care about mileage and PRs, but I usually do between 60-80 miles a week and run about 17 minute range for local 5k's.
Ok, so you spend a little too much time running. According to the chart you should be taking some of that time running and using it to focus on family, career, or society as a whole, not just your running.
Yeah because that hour or so of leisure I spend running would be spent being more productive. Not, I would just waste that hour or so doing something else not productive. Not everybody runs for time. Some run for leisure and to unwind. Some drink to relax, others play video games to relax, I run. To quote Ron Clarke, "In my case, I thoroughly enjoy running 100-odd miles a week. If I didn't I wouldn't do it. Who can define happiness? To some, happiness is a warm puppy or a glass of cold beer. To me, happiness is running in the hills with my mates around me" -
I run for enjoyment wrote:
formerbosox9yo wrote:
I run for enjoyment wrote:
I run for enjoyment for about a hour or so a day. Don't really care about mileage and PRs, but I usually do between 60-80 miles a week and run about 17 minute range for local 5k's.
Ok, so you spend a little too much time running. According to the chart you should be taking some of that time running and using it to focus on family, career, or society as a whole, not just your running.
Yeah because that hour or so of leisure I spend running would be spent being more productive. Not, I would just waste that hour or so doing something else not productive. Not everybody runs for time. Some run for leisure and to unwind. Some drink to relax, others play video games to relax, I run. To quote Ron Clarke, "In my case, I thoroughly enjoy running 100-odd miles a week. If I didn't I wouldn't do it. Who can define happiness? To some, happiness is a warm puppy or a glass of cold beer. To me, happiness is running in the hills with my mates around me"
One could say they are most happy when they are having sex or gambling. But if it consumes an unnecessary amount of your time it means you are a sex or gambling addict. Sex may be great but doesn't mean you should spend 30 hours a week doing it at the detriment of making society a better place. The same can be applied to your running. You have a problem, clearly, and you aren't being as productive to society as you should be. Or you should just branch out more. -
I’ll take it this table is for men. Many females un 50 mile weeks, let alone 30, and find it hard to break 20.
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What is "being as productive to society as you should be"? Who determines this?
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formerbosox9yo wrote:
I run for enjoyment wrote:
formerbosox9yo wrote:
I run for enjoyment wrote:
I run for enjoyment for about a hour or so a day. Don't really care about mileage and PRs, but I usually do between 60-80 miles a week and run about 17 minute range for local 5k's.
Ok, so you spend a little too much time running. According to the chart you should be taking some of that time running and using it to focus on family, career, or society as a whole, not just your running.
Yeah because that hour or so of leisure I spend running would be spent being more productive. Not, I would just waste that hour or so doing something else not productive. Not everybody runs for time. Some run for leisure and to unwind. Some drink to relax, others play video games to relax, I run. To quote Ron Clarke, "In my case, I thoroughly enjoy running 100-odd miles a week. If I didn't I wouldn't do it. Who can define happiness? To some, happiness is a warm puppy or a glass of cold beer. To me, happiness is running in the hills with my mates around me"
One could say they are most happy when they are having sex or gambling. But if it consumes an unnecessary amount of your time it means you are a sex or gambling addict. Sex may be great but doesn't mean you should spend 30 hours a week doing it at the detriment of making society a better place. The same can be applied to your running. You have a problem, clearly, and you aren't being as productive to society as you should be. Or you should just branch out more.
I spend about a hour a day running, sometimes more. Running altogether usually takes up about 7-10 hours of running per week, sometimes 12 hours a week. Compare that to this:
https://www.entrepreneur.com/slideshow/306136
Or this
https://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/average-american-watches-5-hours-tv-day-article-1.1711954
Yeah it's not a waste of time. Value is subjective. And I value the time I spend running more than the time most people spend messing around with social media or television. Compared to most hobbies, it doesn't take up that much time. -
I run for enjoyment wrote:
formerbosox9yo wrote:
I run for enjoyment wrote:
formerbosox9yo wrote:
I run for enjoyment wrote:
I run for enjoyment for about a hour or so a day. Don't really care about mileage and PRs, but I usually do between 60-80 miles a week and run about 17 minute range for local 5k's.
Ok, so you spend a little too much time running. According to the chart you should be taking some of that time running and using it to focus on family, career, or society as a whole, not just your running.
Yeah because that hour or so of leisure I spend running would be spent being more productive. Not, I would just waste that hour or so doing something else not productive. Not everybody runs for time. Some run for leisure and to unwind. Some drink to relax, others play video games to relax, I run. To quote Ron Clarke, "In my case, I thoroughly enjoy running 100-odd miles a week. If I didn't I wouldn't do it. Who can define happiness? To some, happiness is a warm puppy or a glass of cold beer. To me, happiness is running in the hills with my mates around me"
One could say they are most happy when they are having sex or gambling. But if it consumes an unnecessary amount of your time it means you are a sex or gambling addict. Sex may be great but doesn't mean you should spend 30 hours a week doing it at the detriment of making society a better place. The same can be applied to your running. You have a problem, clearly, and you aren't being as productive to society as you should be. Or you should just branch out more.
I spend about a hour a day running, sometimes more. Running altogether usually takes up about 7-10 hours of running per week, sometimes 12 hours a week. Compare that to this:
https://www.entrepreneur.com/slideshow/306136
Or this
https://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/average-american-watches-5-hours-tv-day-article-1.1711954
Yeah it's not a waste of time. Value is subjective. And I value the time I spend running more than the time most people spend messing around with social media or television. Compared to most hobbies, it doesn't take up that much time.
So I have your chart, and you have yours. How much would you consider to be too much? -
formerbosox9yo wrote:
I run for enjoyment wrote:
formerbosox9yo wrote:
I run for enjoyment wrote:
formerbosox9yo wrote:
I run for enjoyment wrote:
I run for enjoyment for about a hour or so a day. Don't really care about mileage and PRs, but I usually do between 60-80 miles a week and run about 17 minute range for local 5k's.
Ok, so you spend a little too much time running. According to the chart you should be taking some of that time running and using it to focus on family, career, or society as a whole, not just your running.
Yeah because that hour or so of leisure I spend running would be spent being more productive. Not, I would just waste that hour or so doing something else not productive. Not everybody runs for time. Some run for leisure and to unwind. Some drink to relax, others play video games to relax, I run. To quote Ron Clarke, "In my case, I thoroughly enjoy running 100-odd miles a week. If I didn't I wouldn't do it. Who can define happiness? To some, happiness is a warm puppy or a glass of cold beer. To me, happiness is running in the hills with my mates around me"
One could say they are most happy when they are having sex or gambling. But if it consumes an unnecessary amount of your time it means you are a sex or gambling addict. Sex may be great but doesn't mean you should spend 30 hours a week doing it at the detriment of making society a better place. The same can be applied to your running. You have a problem, clearly, and you aren't being as productive to society as you should be. Or you should just branch out more.
I spend about a hour a day running, sometimes more. Running altogether usually takes up about 7-10 hours of running per week, sometimes 12 hours a week. Compare that to this:
https://www.entrepreneur.com/slideshow/306136
Or this
https://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/average-american-watches-5-hours-tv-day-article-1.1711954
Yeah it's not a waste of time. Value is subjective. And I value the time I spend running more than the time most people spend messing around with social media or television. Compared to most hobbies, it doesn't take up that much time.
So I have your chart, and you have yours. How much would you consider to be too much?
As long as running isn't messing too much with your life i.e. job, personal life, paying the bills etc. There is no such thing as too much running. -
How long is okay to stay at that mileage to find out, op?If I ran 100 miles a week for two or three weeks, my 5k time wouldn’t drop as significantly as if I gave it a year at that mileage? I do believe that after a year or so of high mileage, if you’re not running great times, you’re probably wasting your time. You don’t need 80 miles per week to run a 20 min 5k.
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formerbosox9yo wrote:
40 miles - 18:00. There is no reason to be running 40+ miles a week if you can't break 18 in the 5k when doing so. Spend some time doing something else.
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Even though I don't agree, I gotta admit you're owning the haters and detractors in this thread
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H0w long? wrote:
How long is okay to stay at that mileage to find out, op?If I ran 100 miles a week for two or three weeks, my 5k time wouldn’t drop as significantly as if I gave it a year at that mileage? I do believe that after a year or so of high mileage, if you’re not running great times, you’re probably wasting your time. You don’t need 80 miles per week to run a 20 min 5k.
I don't know. But good thought.
I think the point is that obviously you're wasting your time if you run 100 miles a week but can only muster a 30 minute 5k. But you're not wasting your time if you run a 12:40 5k. At some point there is a line in between where it goes from not being a waste for any of running, for some of it to start becoming a waste of time. My chart draws that line. -
You're only wasting your time running 100 miles a week if you don't want to run 100 miles a week.
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Your chart does not compute for me. The weekly mileage, even when its over 100 or 120 mile or even 140 miles, is all enjoyable and thus "worth it" for me on it's own merit. I like running. I like being outside, exploring nice trails/mountains, new trails, familiar trails, nice back roads, spending time running my dog(s), enjoying the sun, enjoying the moon, enjoying the wildlife, enjoying the weather, enjoying the views. I'm not doing boring routes on boring roads. I chose to live where the running is enjoyable.
I was reasonably fast, but I sometimes go years between races. So the 70 mpw that I'm doing now isn't translating into race times at all.
