Why do lower class people leave their cars running all the time and use remote car starters?

hahaha it's funny that poor people do this with no regard for the environment

My driver lives somewhere in jersey or the bronx or something, not sure, he drives in to pick me up on the upper east side (the car is nice and warm by the time he gets there) and drops me off downtown before doing something the rest of the day until taking me home at night.

Louis Winthorp III wrote:

hahaha it's funny that poor people do this with no regard for the environment

My driver lives somewhere in jersey or the bronx or something, not sure, he drives in to pick me up on the upper east side (the car is nice and warm by the time he gets there) and drops me off downtown before doing something the rest of the day until taking me home at night.

The guy driving the 5 Train isn’t really “your” driver.

I dont have to remote car start because my 6 car garage is heated in the winter and air conditioned in the summer.

Three reasons:

1) Poor people drive older cars...if there is any (small) benefit to not stopping and restarting a car, it’s on the ignition of older autos.

2) Poor people are more likely to live in colder climates where there’s some comfort/performance benefit to warming up a car. Admit it, you would all live in San Diego if you could afford it. And I don’t mean afford it like some undocumented worker living in National City. I mean afford it like you’ve got a cute cottage in La Jolla and a hot coed from UCSD lives next door.

3) Poor people are more likely to be democratic socialists. As such, they might have some concern for the environment. Starting a car (especially an older one) releases more emissions than at any other time during its use.

Just Askin' wrote:

Its been proven without any doubt that there is no benefit mechanically to warming up a car or leaving it running "to keep the engine warm".

People do this so that when they get in the car it's not cold AF.

OK weasel, spineless jellyfish. I understand where you are coming from.

When you have a really old car, you are never sure that it is going to start. So, you let it run when you stop somewhere so that you will only get stuck at work or home if it dies out on you. Also, starters and alternators are prone to go out on older vehicles. Fewer starts extends the life of those components.

There isn't much difference in the amount of fuel you use now that all cars have very efficient fuel injection systems. Diesel trucks do lose a bit of efficiency if they are shut down and cool off instead of letting them idle. Most large cities have diesel idling rules that prevent the UPS guy from leaving the truck on. Diesels spit out more tailpipe emissions when they are idling because the engine is not hot enough to burn off all the NOx and SOx.

The remote starter is to keep from getting car jacked. Car jackers get you when you sit down and fumble with your keys to get the vehicle started. If the vehicle is running by the time you open the door, you can just slam it into gear, hit the gas and peel out of there. Also, tote the note lots like to trick out cars with alarms and remote starters to divert peoples attention from the fact that they have also installed GPS and a remote engine disabler in case you don't pay your note on time.

I’m not a poor person, but I warm up my car before getting in any time there is snow or ice on it. Letting the heater run for a few minutes melts all that crap off so I don’t have to manually uncover my car and scrape off the windshield.

I certainly don't leave my old bomb running, and I don't have a remote car starter either - just an old fashion key & ignition. ?

People who use their remote starter are selfish because they want to feel comfortable as soon as possible. People who are more interested in saving a few bucks are willing to sacrifice, one of those being getting into a cold car. Over time, those little things add up which is why people who use remote starters are generally poor. Check the temperature in their house in the winter as compared to the guy who doesn't use a remote starter.

defrost wrote:

I’m not a poor person, but I warm up my car before getting in any time there is snow or ice on it. Letting the heater run for a few minutes melts all that crap off so I don’t have to manually uncover my car and scrape off the windshield.

Completely irrelevant to the thread. No one cares.

Lol @ proles who can't afford multi-car garages.

Just Askin' wrote:

Its been proven without any doubt that there is no benefit mechanically to warming up a car or leaving it running "to keep the engine warm".

Look at UPS, the largest operator in the world of Diesel engines, the driver turns off the engine for the 20 seconds it takes to drop a package on your porch.

Yet it is a class cultural norm for lower income people to warm up their cars and let them idle for hours. Remote car starters are a total waste of gas and money.

Why do third rate trolls start posts with “why do lower class people...”?

Spotter of third rate trolls wrote:

Just Askin' wrote:

Its been proven without any doubt that there is no benefit mechanically to warming up a car or leaving it running "to keep the engine warm".

Look at UPS, the largest operator in the world of Diesel engines, the driver turns off the engine for the 20 seconds it takes to drop a package on your porch.

Yet it is a class cultural norm for lower income people to warm up their cars and let them idle for hours. Remote car starters are a total waste of gas and money.

Why do third rate trolls start posts with “why do lower class people...”?

Because class differences are interesting. Peoples values and decisions prevent them from being socially mobile. Every person spends a day making hundreds of small decisions that ollectively keep them locked on the rung of the socio economic ladder they were born on.

Not lower class, but middle class wrote:

Just Askin' wrote:

Its been proven without any doubt that there is no benefit mechanically to warming up a car or leaving it running "to keep the engine warm".

People do this so that when they get in the car it's not cold AF.

Newsflash...there's something called a 'jacket', and also things like 'hats' and 'gloves'.

My hypocrite neighbor with 'The Earth is your mother' sticker routinely runs BOTH his

cars for 45 minutes in the morning just so he and his f***ing wife don't have to be cold

for 5 seconds and because "Oh Em Gee" his wife wants to wear stylish footwear instead

of dressing for the weather... but that doesn't stop him from virtue signalling with his

f***ing sticker. That's 1.5 hours a day minimum of of carbon emissions just from one

jacka**, and I see this kind of thing constantly. Cars running outside convenience stores,

probably 25% of the cars outside at work. People are such pu**ies.

wussies wrote:

Not lower class, but middle class wrote:

People do this so that when they get in the car it's not cold AF.

Newsflash...there's something called a 'jacket', and also things like 'hats' and 'gloves'.

My hypocrite neighbor with 'The Earth is your mother' sticker routinely runs BOTH his

cars for 45 minutes in the morning just so he and his f***ing wife don't have to be cold

for 5 seconds and because "Oh Em Gee" his wife wants to wear stylish footwear instead

of dressing for the weather... but that doesn't stop him from virtue signalling with his

f***ing sticker. That's 1.5 hours a day minimum of of carbon emissions just from one

jacka**, and I see this kind of thing constantly. Cars running outside convenience stores,

probably 25% of the cars outside at work. People are such pu**ies.

Pics of the wife in her sexy ass shoes?

Video of the cars running for 45 minutes?

wussies wrote:

Not lower class, but middle class wrote:

People do this so that when they get in the car it's not cold AF.

Newsflash...there's something called a 'jacket', and also things like 'hats' and 'gloves'.

My hypocrite neighbor with 'The Earth is your mother' sticker routinely runs BOTH his

cars for 45 minutes in the morning just so he and his f***ing wife don't have to be cold

for 5 seconds and because "Oh Em Gee" his wife wants to wear stylish footwear instead

of dressing for the weather... but that doesn't stop him from virtue signalling with his

f***ing sticker. That's 1.5 hours a day minimum of of carbon emissions just from one

jacka**, and I see this kind of thing constantly. Cars running outside convenience stores,

probably 25% of the cars outside at work. People are such pu**ies.

Good thing I don't believe in man made climate change. As far as calling me a pus sy, I guess you are right since you are what you eat and I sure do eat a lot of your mom's pus sy.

When I was a kid in the '80's, I remember older cars were often hard to start and would frequently stall in traffic. Nowadays, even a beat-up car with 250,000 miles usually starts right up, if it runs at all.

Just the opposite actually, the poorest states are almost all in the south. And I'm 40 and married with kids, gawking at a 19 year old girl next door would be just plain creepy.

Again, the poorest states are almost all red states in the South. It's not the act of starting a car that releases more emissions, it's the fact that the engine and catalytic converter are cold. And the quickest way to warm up a cold engine and reduce emissions is to immediately start driving it. If you shut it off for a few seconds or minutes, the engine will still be warm and clean-running when you start it back up. That's why many new cars have auto start-stop, to reduce fuel use and emissions when sitting at a stop light.

I live up north, kind of cold recently in teens and low 20's. On my morning runs in my neighborhood (not rich neighborhood but not bad) I'll see about 5 cars running with no one in them in a span of a mile or so. Sometimes they'll still be running as I pass again 15 minutes later. I had heard that idling uses 0.15 gallons of gas per hour, so not a crazy amount, but it still seems very wasteful and lazy. From my experience it only takes about 6 minutes of my car being on to be kicking out warm air, it's not that inconvenient to just drive your car for a few minutes in the cold.

I think it's all laziness, but also to do with being dazzled by shiny objects. A remote start being the shiny object.